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General Maintenance Tips => General Questions and Trouble Shooting => Topic started by: foakes on April 05, 2015, 01:39:52 AM

Title: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: foakes on April 05, 2015, 01:39:52 AM
The larger parts for Penns are all in numbered bins -- such as rings, stands, sideplates, handles, spools, etc.

And many of the new commonly used smaller parts are all organized according to part numbers -- in a typical part number order --

But I have a lot of loose internals for the Penn conventionals -- mostly new, some used -- and have been organizing them into some type of simple system.  And am going to part out a bunch of old Penns into these plastic organizers over the next few days.

Question: From all of you experienced experts out there, is there a shortcut or trick to identifying main and pinion gears easily? 

Even if I count teeth, and measure carefully -- unless I have the old gear on my bench -- it is difficult to match.

Any hints or ideas?

Thanks,

Fred

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Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Tightlines667 on April 05, 2015, 01:52:57 AM
Whoa!
Maybe consider hiring an intern or finding an apprentice?
Its like a 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzel.  I would think starting with known part number/model/ratio gear sets, and finding matches might be a good first step.  Someone else might have an actual helpful trick or teo for you.
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on April 05, 2015, 02:07:20 AM
Most I can identify just by looking. Hard part will be finding the first set for each gear then just match it up accordingly. Btw I see you have steel 113h gears!! I'm interested in a few if you are will to let them go!
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Alto Mare on April 05, 2015, 03:09:45 AM
Just a guess ;D

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Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Dominick on April 05, 2015, 03:17:07 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 05, 2015, 03:09:45 AM
Just a guess ;D

Mago Misterioso...is never wrong.   :D Dominick
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: bestout on April 05, 2015, 04:07:55 AM
wow thats alot of parts..... very nice !!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: foakes on April 05, 2015, 05:13:41 AM
Thanks, Sal --

I will mark these as you have indicated.

If I split the pinions up into groups -- would you have any expert eyeballs on those?

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Maxed Out on April 05, 2015, 05:27:14 AM
Fred, there is no way to accomplish your goal so you should just send me the parts and I'll save you the hassle  ;D, but I may forget your return address. :o
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Keta on April 05, 2015, 06:06:00 AM
The steel ones marked 5-113H second row from the bottom on the right look like 5-349, they have a slightly larger OD than the 5-113H.
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: UKChris on April 10, 2015, 02:32:12 PM
Oh you guys are scary! Identifying all those gears from a slightly blurred photo seems like witchcraft  ;)

Sure hope no one bumps your workbench!
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Reel 224 on April 10, 2015, 04:13:16 PM
I have a question in line with identifying the different Penn gears....the numbers that you ID them with. Do those numbers have anything to do with Ratio or Diameter & TPI? 
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: RowdyW on April 10, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
They are Penn part numbers
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Reel 224 on April 10, 2015, 04:51:40 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on April 10, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
They are Penn part numbers

Yes I understand, but I was wonder if those numbers also have something to do with the fore mentioned. (ie) size,dia.,ratio...etc.
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: foakes on April 10, 2015, 05:07:34 PM
Good question, 224 --

But the first number is a typical Penn key # for all reels -- for a main gear -- 5.

The following number after the hyphen -- is the reel model #.

Some gears are for multiple models -- but they only carry one part number, if the same.

You probably have a master Penn parts "KEY" chart -- showing all parts for various models of conventionals.

However, if you do not, or anyone else needs one on the site -- I could scan and post, so anyone could print it.

Best,

Fred

This information is probably already somewhere on this site -- buried away.
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Reel 224 on April 10, 2015, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: foakes on April 10, 2015, 05:07:34 PM
Good question, 224 --

But the first number is a typical Penn key # for all reels -- for a main gear -- 5.

The following number after the hyphen -- is the reel model #.

Some gears are for multiple models -- but they only carry one part number, if the same.

You probably have a master Penn parts "KEY" chart -- showing all parts for various models of conventionals.

However, if you do not, or anyone else needs one on the site -- I could scan and post, so anyone could print it.

Best,

Fred

This information is probably already somewhere on this site -- buried away.

Fred That would be great!
Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: foakes on April 10, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
Here is a Penn Part Number Key Chart.

It is out of one of my Dealer Parts & Sevice Manuals from 1996 -- so ignore the prices when talking to Scott's, Southwestern, or other Penn Parts Centers.

It is dead simple to just take a key number -- then go down the column to see which other reels share the same number.  Helps when matching up parts.

If the Moderators want to move this to a better location -- feel free.

Hope this helps some of our members.

Best,

Fred

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Title: Re: Is there an easy way to ID Penn Gears?
Post by: Reel 224 on April 10, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
Thank you Fred. Copies made.