http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Reels-High-Speed-Gears-for-Penn-500-501-and-Penn-112H-Main-Pinion-/190892144283?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c720ef69b
seller is new, no score, description of the product leaves many questions
Pinion looks a little fishy, familiar finish almost
The gears look straight while the pinion looks helical, it does look a little fishy and so does the price.
Saw it today...didn't even think about it for some reason...I'm waiting for Alan to come out with his gears. I still need to check out Dawn's gears, but been a bit busy.
If it seems too good to be true, It usually is.
I wouldn't roll those dice Joel. ;D
I think this is the same gear set that Dawn is selling. By looking at the main gear, it is not for JM500/501 nor 112H. It is for JM505.
It can be fitted into the JM 500 or 112H with some modification on the sideplate.
Then again, what do I know?????? ;)
Main gear has 58 teeth. From what I can see of the pinion, I'm guessing 12 which would make it 4.83:1, consistent with a Penn 505/506. Penn replacement 505/506 gears have a brass main gear and s/s pinion. It could be an early gear set, but .... ???
Newell 5:1 Jigmaster gears are 5:1. Did Accurate ever make a set of gears for Jigmasters?
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 28, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
I think this is the same gear set that Dawn is selling. By looking at the main gear, it is not for JM500/501 nor 112H. It is for JM505.
It can be fitted into the JM 500 or 112H with some modification on the sideplate.
Then again, what do I know?????? ;)
You're right, Alan. The pinion needs to be drilled out to 3/16" to fit the JM spool shaft, too.
Quote from: Norcal Pescador on August 28, 2013, 06:41:43 PM
Main gear has 58 teeth. From what I can see of the pinion, I'm guessing 12 which would make it 4.83:1, consistent with a Penn 505/506. Penn replacement 505/506 gears have a brass main gear and s/s pinion. It could be an early gear set, but .... ???
Newell 5:1 Jigmaster gears are 5:1. Did Accurate ever make a set of gears for Jigmasters?
Accurate did make a gears set for JM 500, but they discontinued it after awhile because those teeth on the gears were too thin and striped under heavy pressure. I guess they did not want to do a recall. That was what I heard. The Accurate JM 500 gear set were 4.8:1, but it was sold as 5:1.
Hi Guys
That's the Co. I am getting the Newell gears from.
He is also now making the 500/112H
Dawn
Quote from: Dawn on August 28, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
Hi Guys
That's the Co. I am getting the Newell gears from.
He is also now making the 500/112H
Dawn
They lower their price on Ebay. Bad.......
We will be having a chat....
Quote from: Dawn on August 28, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
Hi Guys
That's the Co. I am getting the Newell gears from.
He is also now making the 500/112H
Dawn
Since your resource is making the JM500/112H, you won't have to carry mine when it is ready. ;)
Quote from: Norcal Pescador on August 28, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on August 28, 2013, 11:16:41 AM
I think this is the same gear set that Dawn is selling. By looking at the main gear, it is not for JM500/501 nor 112H. It is for JM505.
It can be fitted into the JM 500 or 112H with some modification on the sideplate.
Then again, what do I know?????? ;)
You're right, Alan. The pinion needs to be drilled out to 3/16" to fit the JM spool shaft, too.
Yes you're right Rob, but on that particular set no drilling was required.
The pinion fit on the 500 nice and snug, much better that Penn's and it was jus a little loose on the 505 and I mean a little.
The gear set is cut to perfection, I had to sand down Alan's sleeve to be able to slide the main gear all the way down.
The problem wasn't with the gear, the sleeve was a little wider at the base from the top.
Alan's sleeve are usually ok, but on this gear set you will need to do some sanding, unless they enlarge the inner hole a little.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 28, 2013, 08:25:20 AM
If it seems too good to be true, It usually is.
I wouldn't roll those dice Joel. ;D
I guess that doesn't apply now!
See, Fleabay can be really good some times. ;D
Quote from: Dawn on August 28, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
Hi Guys
That's the Co. I am getting the Newell gears from.
He is also now making the 500/112H
Dawn
Dawn,
If you are carrying those as well, could you send me a set to confirm fitment...and charge my account?
Thanks
Bryan
P.S. I'd better find reels to install these gears or I'm going to be a gear head. ;D
So I guess they're ok. Good to know, but not good that he's undercutting Dawn. Smooth Drag! I wouldn't bid.
Thanks Floating Doc ;D
I will get it worked out with him.
Bryan sent you a message.
Dawn
Have any of you wondered why one Stainless is selected over another.
For example, I've heard that 301 is stronger than 304 but a a little less corrosion resistant. 316 has better corrosion resistance and has similar strength as 304...
These are things that I had to look at for creating my drag stacks, but not sure how the considerations would apply to gears.
I selected 301 stainless due to it's strength, and figure that the carbon fiber washers will be greased, so will have a low probablility of rust interfering with the drag system since many of us here actually service our own reels or have someone that service them to at least to the same caliber as Alan Tani does.
Quote from: Joel.B on August 30, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Seller responded to my question from when they first listed "Hi The gears are made by global precision in Taiwan. The parts are stainless steel 304 and are passivated?
Thank you."
These look different to me than what Dawn is offering- the finish looks weird
I had to look up "passivated" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passivation_(chemistry)
The gear in the picture is for JM 505.
What is JM? The only time I saw JM referred to Jigging Master.
Quote from: Bryan Young on August 30, 2013, 05:19:47 PM
Have any of you wondered why one Stainless is selected over another.
For example, I've heard that 301 is stronger than 304 but a a little less corrosion resistant. 316 has better corrosion resistance and has similar strength as 304...
These are things that I had to look at for creating my drag stacks, but not sure how the considerations would apply to gears.
I selected 301 stainless due to it's strength, and figure that the carbon fiber washers will be greased, so will have a low probablility of rust interfering with the drag system since many of us here actually service our own reels or have someone that service them to at least to the same caliber as Alan Tani does.
My resource told me that 316 has better strength 304. The price for the material is 50% difference.
Most tackle manufacturer like to use SS 303 because it is cheaper than 316 or 304.
Quote from: Bryan Young on August 30, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
What is JM? The only time I saw JM referred to Jigging Master.
My bad JigMaster 505
Very interesting... Thanks Joel and Alan.
Quote from: Bryan Young on August 30, 2013, 06:15:05 PM
Very interesting... Thanks Joel and Alan.
There is one most important element when making fishing tackle gear set that it is expertise in fishing tackle. Just because a company has some machines to make gear set, it does not mean that it can make fishing gear set. There are a lot of thing going on in the back ground. You can not just send a gear set (eg, an Accurate) and has it copies by the shop. The shop needs to revert engineering the gear set and see if there is any improvements it can be made. When the gear set parts are finished, it must be tested and make sure all parts can be replaced the OEM parts without any alternation (simply is opening reel, removing OEM parts, installing replacement parts, greasing replacement parts, closing reel and ready for fishing).
You won't see any big company (PENN or Shimano) will ask any factory to make gears parts for it. Those companies know where they are. Trust me on that one.
Joels post is why silicone bronze, or especially monel, is preferred in boat building. Stainless will fail if continously submerged.
Ron
Well, someone just bought 5 sets from the ebay seller.
This seller (the same guy sold to Dawn at smooth drag) dropped the price like crazy. It is $29.95 while Charkbait is selling the same set for $39.99. It is a bargain.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190895781428?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/190895781428?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
I would like to know if anyone bought from him. If so, can you tell us if it is ok.
My take on it: I haven't tried them and by now you know my thoughts on where I would buy gears.
Sure it's a cheap price, but I would recommend sitting tight on your current pricing for the Black Pearl gears. I'll bet there's no comparison.
I ordered a set just to see while I await the set from Alan. It came in today and although it looked good and felt strong it made a funny noise in my 506HS. Sort of a clicking sound.. I pulled on it for a good 10 minutes at 15+ lbs
an update on the gear set:
the ring on the pinion popped off and i think that is what making the noise. reel continued to pull well but the free spool suffered dramatically.
Quote from: maxpowers on October 18, 2013, 02:11:54 PM
an update on the gear set:
the ring on the pinion popped off and i think that is what making the noise. reel continued to pull well but the free spool suffered dramatically.
the ring might not be pressed in correctly. You should be able to put it back on better.
What is the purpose of the ring on the pinion gear? Is it to keep the spindle from stripping the pinion?
Quote from: maxpowers on October 18, 2013, 07:36:28 PM
What is the purpose of the ring on the pinion gear? Is it to keep the spindle from stripping the pinion?
I think there is a purpose for that ring. I have to take off a 113H to check it again.
Quote from: maxpowers on October 18, 2013, 07:36:28 PM
What is the purpose of the ring on the pinion gear? Is it to keep the spindle from stripping the pinion?
Yes, To beef them up for strength.
there has been a lot of conversations about teeth shredding under stress, I haven't had that luck yet :-\. The damage that I've seen on my gears from my stress test was related to that area where the ring sits. The teeth on my Jigmaster under that ring did get damaged and the 6/0 pinion opened up like a V shape at that same area, but the teeth never shredded, the 6/0 main gear did move to one side and got pointy though. Here is a shot of what I'm talking about, sorry couldn't find the pinion.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/th_006_zpscd42c7a7.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/006_zpscd42c7a7.jpg.html)
Click on it to enlarge.
Quote from: Black Pearl on October 13, 2013, 01:42:37 AM
This seller (the same guy sold to Dawn at smooth drag) dropped the price like crazy. It is $29.95 while Charkbait is selling the same set for $39.99. It is a bargain.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190895781428?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/190895781428?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)
I would like to know if anyone bought from him. If so, can you tell us if it is ok.
Well, that seller dropped the price again. It is $24.95 now. I guess he wants to get rid of all. Then, Charkbait is still selling it for #39.99.