strengthening graphite

[wallacewt]

hi jon
can you strengthen a graphite rod
by binding in between the guides..say a couple of
1/2" or 1/4" binds.
like they used to do with split cane and fly rods.
cheers

[floating doc]

Interesting question.

[Jon Vadney]

hi jon
can you strengthen a graphite rod
by binding in between the guides..say a couple of
1/2" or 1/4" binds.
like they used to do with split cane and fly rods.
cheers

Hey buddy.  The modern split cane rods don't need those bands as the way the split cane is bonded together these days is much better than it was in the past.  When a tubular object is bent, the object has to take on an oval shape, and after the materials threshold to stay together is breached, it will "fold" and break.  Bend a straw and you will see the same thing happen.  Now, with graphite rods, the material starts off as resin impregnated sheets that are rolled onto a mandrel, and then baked to bond everything together.  Adding bands of thread wouldn't do anything to help prevent the rod from collapsing in on itself when high-sticked or over loaded.  I wish it did.

[wallacewt]

ok thanks for that.
i bought a e-glass composite 24kg to try out,2pc,
ill try it on the kingies and samsons.bit of up and down fishing.
t-curves wouldnt survive
so the uglies and silstars survive because they are spiral wrapped?
cheers mate

[Jon Vadney]

ok thanks for that.
i bought a e-glass composite 24kg to try out,2pc,
ill try it on the kingies and samsons.bit of up and down fishing.
t-curves wouldnt survive
so the uglies and silstars survive because they are spiral wrapped?
cheers mate

Spiral wrapping won't increase the amount of load a rod blank can withstand (maybe minimally as it won't twist under extreme load, but hardly noticeably).  Spiral wrapping's main advantage is that it keeps a conventional (overhead) rod from wanting to twist in your hand when fighting a fish.  If you have a conventional setup in your hand and hold it it out, naturally the reel is going to want to twist to the bottom.  Now if you have a spiral wrapped rod and apply a load to it, the reel will want to flip to the top automatically stabilizing the setup.  Essentially, you don't have to keep your hand clenched on the foregrip in order to keep the reel in the upright position.

[Tile]

The only way to strengthen a tubular blank be it graphite or fiberglass is to insert a solid blank into the tubular one. The result is a nearly indestructible blank.

[wallacewt]

hi jon
im not talking about the acid wrap
but the spiral shakespere wrap in the manufacture
of the blank.they dont snap compared to the t-curves.
fiberglass and graphite  or carbon or something
hi tile
uglies are tubular for the most part
solid fg is very tough
you cant go stickin a solid in your fishin rod
cheers

[Jon Vadney]

hi jon
im not talking about the acid wrap
but the spiral shakespere wrap in the manufacture
of the blank.they dont snap
fiberglass and graphite  or carbon or something

Ohhhhhhh I know what you're talking about now.  That being said, while an uglystick is quite durable.... that comes at the expense of everything that makes a good fishing rod....well.....good.  Lightness of weight, sensitivity, quality components, not bottoming out when fished w/ the proper amount of drag for what the rod is rated for, etc etc.  If durability is the only concern, than ugly sticks are a good option. 

In terms of lifting power, I would wager that a Calstar 700M (20 - 50#) could out-lift a 20 - 50# ugly stick. 

[wallacewt]

ok
ive got no idea what is a good blank and what isnt
everybody will have there own idea
i know i cant break an ugly or silstar
ive tried ha!
but you shouldnt be able to break a 24kg rod lifting 10lb weight(t-curve)at 45 deg;
should ya?

[Jon Vadney]

ok
ive got no idea what is a good blank and what isnt
everybody will have there own idea
i know i cant break an ugly or silstar
ive tried ha!
but you shouldnt be able to break a 24kg rod lifting 10lb weight(t-curve)at 45 deg;
should ya?

Generally speaking you shouldn't be able to.  One thing I would try to stay away from is focusing on deadlifting weights w/ rods.  It's not that great of a representation of how they bend under normal fishing conditions.

[wallacewt]

so if you mount your reel and have a straight pull
when you get a fish on its still going to break i broke
mine on sunday,(bucket),my fishing mate broke his 2 days later
on an estimated 8kg dhu fish,straight up and down.
8kg fish has about the same amount of fight as a  bloke thats taken
the full 10 count.
anyhow thks for the in put jon,
they are just bad rods,hence the org; question
cheers

[Jon Vadney]

so if you mount your reel and have a straight pull
when you get a fish on its still going to break i broke
mine on sunday,(bucket),my fishing mate broke his 2 days later
on an estimated 8kg dhu fish,straight up and down.
8kg fish has about the same amount of fight as a  bloke thats taken
the full 10 count.
anyhow thks for the in put jon,
they are just bad rods,hence the org; question
cheers

I hear that.  I really hate that manufacturers put out these pisspoor products and then tout them as the bees-knees.  I'm sorry you and your buddy got a couple of lemons.