looking for shockproof guides, are Pacbay TW any good?

[BradH]

Question... on the PacBay TWs, why does the wire make the big bend leaving the top of the guide? Is it to support the top of the guide yet keep it out of the way of the line? Or to help prevent wrapping line around the guide?

I'm considering these for re wrapping a few heavy trolling rods dragging 60-80lb braid.

[steelfish]

there are minimal info on the web and forums about TW guides in real world, so really dont know the technical answer for that, but I think it could be two reason, one is to keep the wire outta the way of the line on the big sizes and also seems like it could take a little bit more beating up without deforming with a drop or hit.

Im on the middle of the one Im repairing a rod for a friend as a gift for him and hes running a fishing charter boat so, I will ask him to show me this rod in some months to see how it looks from the corrosion and beating up on the panga boat.

[Newell Nut]

Question... on the PacBay TWs, why does the wire make the big bend leaving the top of the guide? Is it to support the top of the guide yet keep it out of the way of the line? Or to help prevent wrapping line around the guide?

I'm considering these for re wrapping a few heavy trolling rods dragging 60-80lb braid.

Companies such as Star Rods turn the first guide around backwards so the long wire is toward the tip. I assume this will help them work for a wide variety of reel widths. The VP at PacBay told me they were braid proof being chrome plated SS. I would be cautious of running braid through them on a trolling rod. I would use carbide guides for wire line. A bit expensive though but still very robust.

Dwight

[ez2cdave]

I was curious. So, I found some info.

http://www.mudhole.com/XTWG-Non-Fouling-Twister-Guides-Hard-Chrome



Tight Lines !

[steelfish]

techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.

I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod

[ez2cdave]

techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.

I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod

If you are searching on the web, try using the term "foulproof guides" and "pier" . . . They were originally made by a company called AETNA.

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22

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[ez2cdave]

There are some on eBay . . .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foulproof-Wire-Snake-Fishing-Rod-Guide-Lot-Case-/371749556093

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[oc1]

There is also the Tokunaga or Hilo style wire guides.  In the northeast they had a very similar style guide in bronze for surfcasting. 
-steve

[steelfish]

techical info is there what it is hard to find is real world experiences with those guides on the web, seems like the guys that are still using them or used them at some time, dont like to be on the fishing forums that much.

I would really like to try them so, I ordered two sets, one for the rod of my friend and for the second set I will look on a flea market a rod to restore and put them on it to use it myself or maybe a cheap CRB glass rod

If you are searching on the web, try using the term "foulproof guides" and "pier" . . . They were originally made by a company called AETNA.

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foulproof+guides%22+%22pier%22

https://www.google.com/#q=%22foul+proof+guides%22+%22pier%22

Tight Lines !

thanks for the heads up, a quick reading on some of those threads I found out most of them are old threads and talking monsly about AETNA foolproof guides (seems that those are the ones John sent me), those are SS while Pacbay TW guides are hard chrome, supposedly this last ones are bit better handeling braid line, good thing is that 90% of the local charter guys use exclusively Mono line one the loaner reels/rods.

[droppedit]

I did the foul proof on a bunch of rods for a charter boat a few years back. At the time there were a couple different
manufactures of them and the wire size was considerably different. I can't remember which ones were better, Pac Bay
or the in house brand from Merrick tackle. If you do find a choice go by the heavier gauge (lower number of wire size).

Dave

[droppedit]

This got me to thinking which is scary, I had some leftovers from when I did that job. I'm sure
the Merrick guides were the better ones but where to find them now is anyones guess.
This is from an old 2007 catalog which on the Merrick guides has the wire size. PacBay's
are not listed. The last picture are 2 #16's one the left is PacBay and right is Merrick.
You might find some of these on Ebay or if you only need a few send me a message, I might have
enough for a rod so you can try.

Dave

[steelfish]

... if you only need a few send me a message, I might have
enough for a rod so you can try.
Dave

hey Dave, Im interested, you have a PM.

Those guides would be nice here in Baja, I havent seen a fishing rod locally with them and broken/bent guides and broken ceramic are the main problem on the rods on charter boats.
as I said before, 90% of the charter boats are using mono line with good old chrome boat guides because they hate those nice, pretty and expensive ceramic guides on rods for the clients, so this Pacbay TW or Merrick could be a nice option.

[ez2cdave]

Apparently, GUDEBROD either made some or sold them under their name . . .

These are for a Spinning rod.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122271914961





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[droppedit]

I apologize for not saying that Merrick went under a few years back. Mudhole bought out all their old stock
and there are so many items that are now no longer available. This seems to be the way the world is going.
I sent you a PM and I'll put together a set of guides for you.

Dave

[Newell Nut]

There is also the Tokunaga or Hilo style wire guides.  In the northeast they had a very similar style guide in bronze for surfcasting. 
-steve

Those Hilo ones are super strong and stronger than any of the TWs that I have seen. They do cost a little more though so I passed on them when I found them in Honolulu. They are pretty much standard on most Ulua surf rods.
Dwight