Abu 6000C Issues, Problems and Questions

[Mic]

I feel like an outcast member of the family. I only seem to come around or ask for help when I need something. Here I am again~!

I bought an old Abu 6000c at a second hand shop last weekend and I was looking forward to the adventure. I bought it because it's the only reel I ever seen that was purple and I didn't own a 6000. It wasn't a deal breaker that the lady only wanted $6.00 for it. As you can imagine, nothing worked. Bait click, Anti reverse, Release button, nothing worked.

I brought it home tore it down and scraped the dried grease and dirt out of it and it's working pretty good now, but needing replacement parts. No big deal. I've found the schematics for it, but the what this one has and what the schematics show, are two different things. The one I have is a duel spring, duel arms on a mounted plate. Totally different than the schematic.

I'd like to put this feller back together right before it goes back on a shelf. My kid's got his eye on it and I think he's planning on using it this year for redfish and trout at Port A ?

Can any of you tell me what ABU this type of bait click was used for ?

Is this an upgrade ? the foot #'s are 067000

Can I use 6500 parts for replacements ?

Thanks for any help at all feller's (family)

Mic

[Mic]

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[exp2000]

The one I have is a duel spring, duel arms on a mounted plate. Totally different than the schematic.

Can I use 6500 parts for replacements ?

This mechanism appears to be a scaled down version which was standard for many years on the 7000 model. It is very old (maybe 50 years) and predates the standard 6000 series which uses a completely different mechanism featuring by a leaf spring plastic module.

Some parts may be interchangeable such as the worm drive but this model is so old that eBay or a specialist ABU aficionado is likely to be your best resource.

Can you post a picture of the handle please?
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[alantani]

the original color might have been black.  i've never seen a 6000 like this before, but the double clutch mechanism is pretty straight forward.  there has to be a schematic somewhere.  this is the closest one i could find.  the clicker doesn't match. 

http://schematics.mikesreelrepair.com/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6000C_75-12-05.pdf

[oc1]

The color looks like some kid "painted" it with a black marking pen.  Does the clicker cog on the spool match up with that style clicker dog and spring?  Do you really need a clicker fishing for trout and reds around Port A? 
-steve

[Mic]

 Thanks for the info guys, I kinda figured this might be a Frankenstein something or other that somebody put together with some parts left over.

The handle doesn't meet the schematic either. No hole in it for a set screw or cap.

Funny thing is, The bait click works great when the left side plate is off the frame. Mount it to the frame and it locks up. I don't know what the heck is causing that ?

  I'll see if the original bait clicker and handle are still available. I found several schematics on line, but none with this bait click mechanism. So, it must be a spare parts bucket deal.  It's still a cool looking reel. Should be worth a complete upgrade if the original parts are available ?

Alan, if this reel was ever black, it sure doesn't show it. It is purple inside and out.

The spool gear and the clicker do match up. I can insert the spool into the left side plate and spin it both ways and it works great. Mount the left side plate to the frame and it doesn't work ?

Thanks again for all the help. I'll put this back on the shelf until I can get the replacement parts.

I'll be back on the next one guys~!!!!

Mic

[nelz]

This is a standard 6000C, according to the serial # it's from 1970. That's the earlier clicker design, standard for many years. Paint looks like faded black. The handles did not have a set screw and thus came loose often.

Make sure the clicker is in the off position before attaching sideplate.

Here's the schematic, sorry for the low rez, that's all I have.

[Mic]

 Thanks Nelz,
That's about the same schematic that I found going back to the first Abu Garcia one I found.

1970 Model ! I was 3 years old then. WOW. I wouldn't worry about it so much, but the reels being made is Sweden now are getting less and less with each calendar change. The old ones are getting more and more important.

  Looking at the schematics, the main gear shaft, it shows to use a C clip. Mine has a crew on it. So, it's definitely a Frankenstein model 0000_OH_DAM.

I was looking at these plastic arms on the bait clicker. It's possible that these are so old that they don't have any spring or flex to them ? The upper springs actually hold the bait clicker out, so the arms would need to flex when the bait clicker is engaged. They don't flex. I might see if I can make this design work if these arms are supposed to be flexible ?

But, like Steve said "I really don't need a bait click to catch reds and specks on the coast in Port A. Shouldn't have any worries with channels and medium flatheads on the river either. The reel works great. I guess an upgraded twisted puzzle. For $6.00 and a bit of grease and oil, I've not lost anything, and I've gained more than just a faded old reel.

Thank you all for your input and help. It's greatly appreciated.

Mic

[nelz]

Looking at the schematics, the main gear shaft, it shows to use a C clip. Mine has a crew on it.

I was looking at these plastic arms on the bait clicker. It's possible that these are so old that they don't have any spring or flex to them?

The schematic I posted shows a screw, as it should for that year reel (part #5181). You do have the correct handle, do you have the end cap (#5182)?

So is the clicker just weak or it doesn't work at all?

I have worked on alot of these older Abu reels and yes the quality was so much better.

[Mic]

 Well Nelz,
I've got to do a six step crawfish backup here. You are correct Sir. The schematic you posted is the correct schematic for my reel. The other 6 schematics I've found and the one link posted by Alan (sorry Alan, no offence) were wrong. Thank you a big bunch. Greatly appreciated.

No Sir, I do not have the end cap and missing a few washers as well. Figured I'd order replacements for them as well.

The bait clicker doesn't work unless it's off the frame. It does work if you have it mounted to the LS Plate. Works great. When I mount it to the frame, it's locked up and doesn't work. I've rotated how the springs are mounted as well. Both on the post on the top, both on bottom, staggered starting on the left, staggered starting on the right. Any way I connected it, it works only when the LS Plate is not connected to the frame.

As I stated in one of my other post, I thing these plastic arms are supposed to flex when the bait clicker is engaged ? I don't know, but these arms sure don't flex at all.

I certainly appreciate your schematic Nelz. It's sure going to help me get the right parts. I'm gonna order a new bait clicker as well. Now that I have a correct part # to order.

Big thanks again Nelz

I owe you a cold or two~!

Mic

[nelz]

That's weird that the clicker works off the frame but not on it?  Got me stumped on that one!

Glad to help as many here have helped me.

[oc1]

If it is off the frame then you have no way of knowing if the spool is centered left to right.  Maybe the clicker cog on the spool shaft does not mesh with the clicker dog when the spool is centered.  I don't know how either one of them could be nudged laterally a bit.

Or, maybe you are not holding the spool shaft perpendicular to the right side plate when the clicker seems to work.  When the spool shaft is square to the side plate the cog and dog can longer reach each other because the dog is worn down.


-steve

[Mic]

 I agree with you Steve,
But when I mount the LS Plate to the frame, the button to engage the bait click will not budge. It will not slide to engage. Take it off the frame and the button will slide in and out both ways. Damnedest thing I've encountered since my wedding night !

I can hold the LS Plate in my hand and set the spool in it and twist it and it make contact and works great.

I don't know if these springs are correct ? A previous post stated that this mechanism is of the same type or smaller than the an older 7000 series. If the 7k has tighter or different springs, it could cause issues if someone traded them out ?

I had read another ABU posting about the frame being twisted. They didn't get into deep details about how to recognize it, but it's a possibility as well. When I have the LS Plate in my hand off the frame and push the bait click button in, the plate that the clicker arms are mounted to tries too move as well. It will slide forward ever so slightly and then release allowing the clicker to move forward. Mount the LS Plate to the frame and nothing moves. The button, the mounting plate, arms, nothing. It all seems to have gone hard and fast.

Either way, I get kind of bullish when things try to best me and I'm putting together a list of parts to replace in this reel. I'm not going to finish second if I have anything to do with it! I figure my kid can set around in 30 years or so telling his kids how he watched his father come to the knot in the rope over this reel and WON!!!!!!!!

 

[nelz]

Ah-ha! Now that you've described the issue in more detail, I have the fix. I posted the answer a while back for another guy that had the same issue. Go here: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24202.0

[foakes]

Try assembling the reel without the spool — then check the clicker operation.

That is a method to eliminate possibilities before you order unneeded parts.

If you still have the same issue — it can be traced to the LS mechanisms.

There are literally dozens of variations in each model of ABU baitcasters — some are very subtle differences — and make no difference.  So the principles of function are close enough to figure out the problem.

In my old shop manuals — I have thousands of ABU & Daiwa schematics and parts lists — and there are still reels that do not fit exactly every schematic I have.

Eliminate the spool and clicker gear.  Check if the clicker upright post on the clicker tongue is bent out of position.  See if the nylon arms are somehow making contact with something.  Install the sideplate with the two springs removed — see what happens.

Let us know!

Best,

Fred