Jigmaster Stainless Gear Sleeves coarse vs fine opinions

[Wilmar]

Hey all,

I 'm finding this to be a good time to be focusing on upgrading my reel collection and I have a question before I order some parts for a 501 jigmaster.  

It has a steel main gear already, it is an older model 501 with course threaded gear sleeve and star.  I have a newer 500 with fine threaded star and bronze sleeve.  I like the fine tuning of the drag the fine threaded gear sleeve gives compared to the coarse sleeves.

Question #1:  I am planning to buy a stainless steel gear sleeve for this reel.  What are the pros and cons of coarse and fine threaded sleeves and stars in your opinions?

I am also wondering whether I should do an ultimate upgrade 5 + 1 drag stack or just stick with the three stack of carbon fiber drags in it already.  

Question #2:  I don't plan to upgrade to an aluminum frame for this 501.  It is the old post frame model.  With the 20 pounds of drag possible with the  
5 + 1 drag stack will my frame become the weak link?

Questions #3:  Now that I think about it why don't we/reel makers use a sort of flywheel key in reels so we don't shred expensive gears, frames, dogs, etc??  

Thanks for any input everyone, Chip

[Gfish]

Hey Chip!
Q.1) Much better range of fine tune drag adjustibility with the 98-505/10-505 sleeve & star. 10-505 star bigger with longer star-points. Unknowen advantage to 98-60/10-60 system, 'cept maybe faster ramp-up/down of drag adjustment, if needed.

Q.2) Yes. Will give you higher drag friction(12-18lbs.?) and less wear on each drag disc. Yes, that's alota pressure on even a narrow 501 post frame.

Q.3) Sorry, answering a Q. With a Q.; What's a flywheel key?

[Wilmar]

The only reason why I know what a flywheel key is is because I am a cheapskate who has to fix his own mowers. 

When you run over a root with your push mower and it won't start up again but was running perfectly before - it is possibly your flywheel key got sheared in two.  It's to prevent further damage to your mower when you abuse it.  You have to get another "key" - actually a little aluminum? metal small little quarter inch rod that fits in somehow to flywheel of motor to perform its magic.  Kind of a sacrificial part to protect the expensive stuff. 

We need a sacrificial part that shears off at a set pressure to protect all our expensive stainless steel upgrades is my point. 

Chip

[Wilmar]

Gfish,
Also thanks for reply!   

That all makes sense. Yeah,  think I will go with fine threaded gear sleeve and star.   I will mull over a half tiburon frame for this 501 if putting it at risk with higher drag without it.  I have an itch to semi tank out this reel. 

Thanks again.  I appreciate the knowledge. 

Chip

[xjchad]

I doubt you'll ever see that happen with SS gears.
Aluminum, pot metal, and brass, yes. 

But that's why we upgrade to steel or SS. No worries of them stripping 

[Wilmar]

Thanks Chad, Chip

[Keta]

The proper term would be sheer pin.

[cmdrzog]

Actually the proper term is flywheel key. Both the shear pin and the flywheel key serve a similar function but implement differently.  The key is inserted in a groove longitudinal to the shaft, the pin is inserted through a hole perpendicular to the shaft.
Lawnmower flywheel key, snow blower shear pin.

[oc1]

We need a sacrificial part that shears off at a set pressure to protect all our expensive stainless steel upgrades is my point. 

No room for a fly wheel.  The drag protects the other components.
-steve

[RowdyW]

No need for sacrificial parts, shear pins, keys, flywheels, etc. Line breaks, problem solved.             Rudy

[Alto Mare]

No need for sacrificial parts, shear pins, keys, flywheels, etc. Line breaks, problem solved.             Rudy

Yup!


I want to mention that there is are many grade of Stainless Steel, some softer than brass.
I have seen some earlier SS gear sleeve bend pretty bad.
ProChallenge uses 410 heat treated extremely tough and I believe so does Tom (Cortez Conversations)

There are some that don't like those for some reason or another, but the proof is in the pudding... as always.

Sal

[Brewcrafter]

Whenever I go through old tackle boxes from estates, etc, it tells me a lot about the previous owner when I find a handful of shear pins in one of the slots.  Spinnerbaits and shear pins?  Guess this guy used to like fishing flooded timber...

[Gfish]

Got it, 'cept for the flywheel key on a reel. Got a shear pin on my elec. motor propeller and a vertical(longitudinal) plastic shaft on my kayak rudder that will(did once) shear under too much pressure.
Would the flywheel key be between the main gear and gear sleeve?

[Wilmar]

Hey all,

I have next to no mechanical knowledge or skill so I really don't know where a shear pin would go in a reel - I was thinking maybe pinion gear to spool shaft somehow.  I think it would need to be a pretty expensive reel to justify a shear pin though.   This was just a idea, and I've got a ton of ideas....

My next idea will be to dream up a way to set star drags to preset drag weights - there has got to be a way!!

Thanks guys,  Chip 

[RowdyW]

My next idea will be to dream up a way to set star drags to preset drag weights - there has got to be a way!!

Get a drag spring scale