Decision time. BG2500 vs SS700. Please help!

Started by JasonGotaProblem, November 29, 2020, 02:23:35 AM

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JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: philaroman on November 30, 2020, 02:17:50 AM

simple, get BG-MQ 2500, which weighs less than BG 1500
(unless Daiwa specs. are off...  quite possible)


Quote from: thrasher on November 29, 2020, 10:55:06 PM

I went to a tackle website to research both reels you mentioned and I saw something I didn't know Daiwa made. I think I'm getting myself a Emcast LT bite n' run 2500. Love me a spinner with a clicker!!

Your threads are costing me money LOL


just noticed Okuma's budget BaitFeeder is <$30
https://okumafishingusa.com/collections/specials/products/50-off-select-avenger-abf-b-series

The okuma avenger 1000 was also on my radar. But that one's cheap, and they have it at wallyworld nearby. I might pick one up as a backup.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

0119

You'd be hard pressed to find any Okuma product here in Florida. Local repair guys won't work on them either. It's just not accepted here.

philaroman

nothin' wrong w/ high-end Okuma (esp., Taiwan-made)
some goodies mid-price, as well -- very tinker/swap-friendly
budget models are disposable, but why would you expect any different

wouldn't bother w/ the regular $40 Avenger(AV?), unless it fell in my lap for <$20
on the other hand, the baitfeeder $60 Avenger(ABF?) <half-price for $28+,
is a nice toy for someone who wants to try baitrunners
they're only selling off unpopular small sizes -- 20 is just plain stupid, but 30 is borderline

JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: 0119 on November 30, 2020, 01:24:59 PM
You'd be hard pressed to find any Okuma product here in Florida. Local repair guys won't work on them either. It's just not accepted here.
I guess that varies regionally. Like I say, they have them at walmart. I also know of at least 3 tackle shops that carry them, out of the maybe 5 that I visit. Though I can comfortably agree they are far less common than penn diawa or shimano. FL is definitely a Penn-heavy state.

Was also considering playing with one of those daiwa sweepfire models, speaking of expendable reels. My boss has positive things to say about their bang-to-buck ratio. Says he just gets a new one every year and doesn't worry about maintenance. Never played with one personally.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

0119

Our Wal-Mart's are still devoid of tackle from China virus. Bass pro here is also empty of any popular hooks, all lead and I'd say 95% of reels. Here if your rough on your stuff you have a low end Penn. Most have Stradics and Saharas. I never see another baitcaster but mine it seems. Growing up here, the Daiwa SS Whisker was extremely popular. People only want disposable now......

JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: 0119 on November 30, 2020, 07:10:49 PM
Our Wal-Mart's are still devoid of tackle from China virus. Bass pro here is also empty of any popular hooks, all lead and I'd say 95% of reels. Here if your rough on your stuff you have a low end Penn. Most have Stradics and Saharas. I never see another baitcaster but mine it seems. Growing up here, the Daiwa SS Whisker was extremely popular. People only want disposable now......
Ours only started getting lead and circle hooks back on the shelf a few weeks ago. This year I've learned to expand my hook horizons.

So I'm reading a bit more and its sounding like the modern whisker reels have an ARB for the anti reverse. Some sites describe it as being in addition to the mechanical AR in the older ones. Is that correct? Does a modern SS700 have a dual anti reverse? If so that seals the deal. If not...
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

tincanary

#21
SS 700, but, and a big but, if you only plan on fishing freshwater.  You can make it saltwater friendly with a little elbow grease.  I've had my SS 1300 for 25 years and serviced it for the very first time last year, no carnage inside anywhere.  I threw a set of Smoothies in there while I was at it as the old washers looked a little worn.  It has had countless pike, walleye, and steelhead at the end of the line and never missed a beat.  The only other small spinning reel with such a durable reputation is the Zebco/Abu Cardinal.  There's a reason why they left it unchanged for three decades, because it works.  It isn't the smoothest or most balanced reel on the market, nor does it have instant anti reverse, but if you want something that will work no matter what, that's your reel.  I've never found the lack of instant anti reverse to be troublesome, it engages pretty quickly compared to other reels set up in a similar fashion. 

philaroman

#22
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 30, 2020, 09:41:51 PM
So I'm reading a bit more and its sounding like the modern whisker reels have an ARB for the anti reverse. Some sites describe it as being in addition to the mechanical AR in the older ones. Is that correct? Does a modern SS700 have a dual anti reverse? If so that seals the deal. If not...

you just saw "Ultra-reliable roller bail trip mechanism" & started having fantasies

please don't wake me up, yet  ;D  ...instant+backup A/R for $100  ;D ;D ;D  ...in a UL, no less   ::)

whatever a $300 Daiwa Tournament Million Max SS-9000 may be, it may have that, but I doubt it has same innards

most fixate on "700" & don't know to look for other <1000 old suped-up SS models (JDM?) that have more features

some have "infinite" A/R -- guessing that's multipoint on rotor (12-20+), instead of ratchet (6-10)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Whisker-Ss-Tournament-850-Long-Cast-Spool-Reel/133566544014?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3D0d92fa0ba12449a3bfc44d6067ad2acd%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D392984752319%26itm%3D133566544014%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-WHISKER-TOURNAMENT-SS-750-Spinning-reel-Used-Japan-Very-Good-473/224222925085?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Df7bc79fb86c74d1d84453fb19a169b6b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D133566544014%26itm%3D224222925085%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

https://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-Daiwa-SS850-Super-Sport-Whisker-Spinning-Fishing-Reel/164383542826?hash=item264605ce2a:g:6HIAAOSwGSxfX86K



not sure about this -- could be a deal from novice seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Tournament-SS-850i-Spinning-Reel-Excellent/392984752319?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Da3ffcdeb0fa648c08f88c1636b4bbebe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D114336326134%26itm%3D392984752319%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

philaroman

oh, and the gold/tan SS also have internal bail-trip,
so you don't need to file off any leg protrusions, LOL

0119

Quote from: tincanary on November 30, 2020, 11:12:47 PM
I've never found the lack of instant anti reverse to be troublesome, it engages pretty quickly compared to other reels set up in a similar fashion. 

Same here. I actually see instant anti reverse as a huge negative. Planned and engineered failure from a frail part.

JasonGotaProblem

Ok clearly I got confused. I'd strongly prefer the mechanical AR. That to me was one of the major selling points. Is that gone now?

Also very intrigued by some of those links. I just worry about parts availability for some of these less common models.
However ceramic bearings of the size for this reel are actually remarkably cheap. I'm seeing full ceramics for under $12 each.

HPR also sells a bearing of a size that would replace the bushing at the base of the worm. I know how Steve feels about bearings vs bushings, but to me that sounds like an upgrade.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

philaroman

funny, I'm down-upgrading from bearings to bushings, to make a S/W Stradic
would love to find solid brass to replace the tiny PITA under-worm BB's

where did you get the "instant A/R notion"?  it's usually mentioned multiple times
in the product description of any reel that has it & bearing count is X+1
I see nuttin' like that: https://www.daiwa.com/us/contents/reels/ss_t/index.html

sorry, IMO ceramics in a budget spinner are like bling on a pig, or doing card tricks for a dog -- pointless  ;)


MarkT

You don't need fancy high speed bearings in the gear train.  Regular steel bearings packed with grease are plenty good.  Save the fancy bearings for the spools of conventional/baitcasting reels!
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steelfish

Penn Spinfisher VI SSVI2500 Spinning Reel   and call it a day !


15# drag on a really small spinning reel

The Baja Guy

JasonGotaProblem

#29
That ssvi2500 weighs more than my 4000 spheros. It's certainly not a bad reel, I just want an ultralight.

I think it came from something that was mentioned in a review. Someone mentioned the "silent upgrade" on newer reels and I guess i assumed thats what they meant. The daiwa website is garbage anyway. They have one picture of the reel, and a paragraph. That's it. Way to go team daiwa. But the point is I was totally wrong, but i came into this thread already knowing what my foot tastes like. Being publicly wrong is nothing new to me. It comes with the territory of being an idiot.

And really the BG2500 doesn't have a mechanical anti reverse, just an ARB. That's a detail I don't particularly like, but my 4000 BG doesn't have one either and I've done just fine with it. This really shouldn't be this hard to choose.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.