Siwash hook size...?

[Aiala]

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[Nuvole]

I've just got a set of gamakatsu, found that they are made with rather soft material :-(

[Keta]

I've just got a set of gamakatsu, found that they are made with rather soft material :-(

Just the eye or the entire hook?  Annealed eyes would be good.

[Nuvole]

I've just got a set of gamakatsu, found that they are made with rather soft material :-(

Just the eye or the entire hook?  Annealed eyes would be good.

The tip of a long nose plier is enough to close the eye of a 5/0. I'll do a load test on the hook tomorrow.

[Keta]

As long as it's only the eye it's good to be soft.

[philaroman]

I have a bunch of Gammy Siwash in small sizes & I'm not very impressed: not forged; probably not tempered; same heavy-gauge, weak(ish) wire entire length; good point/barb -- should be OK for little stuff (spoons for F/W stocked trout, S/W bait collection, etc.), but wouldn't trust 'em w/ decent fish

[Keta]

Forging is not necessary in small hooks.  The metallurgy of hooks are complex, they have to be hard enough so they don't straighten out under load but soft enough they don't break.  I've never broken a Owner or Gami but I have bend a 5/0 3x Owner Gorilla on something large.

I've found Gami hooks to be of good quality, the same for Owner and use both.  I also use a lot of Mustad hooks and they are also good.

[philaroman]

I've used & LOVED various Owner, Gamakatsu, Hayabusa, Daiichi, Tiemco, Kamassan & several small-time US/Canadian brands that were Japan-made, from 10/0 down to #32.  Basically, I never met a Japanese hook I seriously didn't like, UNTIL I bought those Gami Siwash in #8-2/0.

[Bucktail]

Yeah, the smaller size Gamakatsu Siwash hooks are not great.  I don't use them in sizes lower than 5/0 anyway.  So that's not a problem for me. The larger sizes are plenty strong.

[Nuvole]

Gamakatsu Siwash pull test with digital scale.

10011-25(1/0) - 30lb
10013-25(3/0) - 40lb
10015-25(5/0) - 55lb

All open are at the gap and not the eye.
I've tested them to the point where they open up but not yet straighten.

[Keta]

Are you pulling them on the point or the bend?

[Nuvole]

Are you pulling them on the point or the bend?

On the bend, but the pivot point to move a little towards the point as is open.

[Keta]

They seem to be strong enough for light wire hooks.

[Bucktail]

Gamakatsu Siwash pull test with digital scale.

10011-25(1/0) - 30lb
10013-25(3/0) - 40lb
10015-25(5/0) - 55lb

All open are at the gap and not the eye.
I've tested them to the point where they open up but not yet straighten.

Good info.  Thanks.