98-60AT gear sleeve for a "grouper special" lite

[Wally15]

Mike, if you want to speed it up a bit check here:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9979.msg93421#msg93421
The new combination with the 5-149 and 13-113H is actually smoother than the stock. I understand you're not ready for the narrow, but you could do this to the standard 113 as well.
Sal


Scott's would only sell me one 5-149 gear. I did get 2 113H pinions. I checked a couple of other places and they were OOS.
Any other sources to pick up the 2nd 5-149 gear?
Mike

[RowdyW]

Unless I'm looking at it wrong, the stock 5-66 main gear in the 113 has 32 teeth and the 13-113 pinion has 16, giving it a 2:1 ratio.
The upgraded 5-149 main gear has 34 teeth and the 13-113H pinion has 13, giving it a 2.6+:1 ratio.
Sal
Hi Sal, do you remember about a year ago I set it up with a 13-49 pinion & 5-66 main gear which will take a 5+1 drag set of 6-60?       RUDY                                         

[Alto Mare]

Unless I'm looking at it wrong, the stock 5-66 main gear in the 113 has 32 teeth and the 13-113 pinion has 16, giving it a 2:1 ratio.
The upgraded 5-149 main gear has 34 teeth and the 13-113H pinion has 13, giving it a 2.6+:1 ratio.
Sal
Hi Sal, do you remember about a year ago I set it up with a 13-49 pinion & 5-66 main gear which will take a 5+1 drag set of 6-60?       RUDY                                         

Rudy, you only changed the pinion, I might be wrong but I don't believe that changed anything. How many teeth are there on the 13-49?

[RowdyW]

13

[Alto Mare]

Ok, you've increased the ratio to 2.4:1, that isn't bad, but 2.6:1 is better. We could also get the 5 washers in the 149 main gear. How smooth does yours feel? mine is silky smooth. I guess it comes down to how much speed you're looking for, both are a good upgrade, but yours doesn't need any grinding on the plate.

[RowdyW]

And no special metal drag washers.   RUDY

[Doug]

Just wondering if this would work for the 111 senator a little more speed would be nice  Doug

[trond_solem]

Ok, you've increased the ratio to 2.4:1, that isn't bad, but 2.6:1 is better. We could also get the 5 washers in the 149 main gear. How smooth does yours feel? mine is silky smooth. I guess it comes down to how much speed you're looking for, both are a good upgrade, but yours doesn't need any grinding on the plate.

While discussing mxing gears and getting different ratios for the 113 reel, is there anyone who have tried to make  112 reel with higher ratio than the stock 2.25:1?
The 112H is 4:1, but that isn't possible inside the side plate. 3:1 would be nice. A 112h (small h) version? :-)

[Alto Mare]

And no special metal drag washers.   RUDY

Rudy, you did good, but to me the using the 149 gear is a better choice. Take a look at 5-149 and the 5-66, you will notice that the 149 is beefier.

[Keta]

And no special metal drag washers.   RUDY

Special metal washers isn't that big of problem, especially if I catch the cutter when he's not swamped.

[RowdyW]

Sal, I originally did it to improve on the ratio using easily obtained penn parts & upgrade the drags a little. If I need more drag I just wet a line with one of my 113h's. I have lots of choices in reel sizes, from 1/0 to 12/0. If I need anything bigger then a 4/0 I'll have to use a bent butt rod or get in THE chair & they had better strap my shoulders & butt down. I've got the weight but at 75 I just can't pull as hard as I use to.      My theory is BIG BAIT, BIG FISH, BIG REEL, BIG ROD. Stay Cool,  RUDY   

[RowdyW]

Ok, you've increased the ratio to 2.4:1, that isn't bad, but 2.6:1 is better. We could also get the 5 washers in the 149 main gear. How smooth does yours feel? mine is silky smooth. I guess it comes down to how much speed you're looking for, both are a good upgrade, but yours doesn't need any grinding on the plate.

While discussing mxing gears and getting different ratios for the 113 reel, is there anyone who have tried to make  112 reel with higher ratio than the stock 2.25:1?
The 112H is 4:1, but that isn't possible inside the side plate. 3:1 would be nice. A 112h (small h) version? :-)

The black 112 is the same ratio as the longbeach 66-67&68 which is 2.4:1 using the same gears.    RUDY

[fIsHsTiiCkS]

Ok, you've increased the ratio to 2.4:1, that isn't bad, but 2.6:1 is better. We could also get the 5 washers in the 149 main gear. How smooth does yours feel? mine is silky smooth. I guess it comes down to how much speed you're looking for, both are a good upgrade, but yours doesn't need any grinding on the plate.

It might be a better solution for Wally as he didn't feel comfortable grinding the plate.

[trond_solem]

Ok, you've increased the ratio to 2.4:1, that isn't bad, but 2.6:1 is better. We could also get the 5 washers in the 149 main gear. How smooth does yours feel? mine is silky smooth. I guess it comes down to how much speed you're looking for, both are a good upgrade, but yours doesn't need any grinding on the plate.

While discussing mxing gears and getting different ratios for the 113 reel, is there anyone who have tried to make  112 reel with higher ratio than the stock 2.25:1?
The 112H is 4:1, but that isn't possible inside the side plate. 3:1 would be nice. A 112h (small h) version? :-)

The black 112 is the same ratio as the longbeach 66-67&68 which is 2.4:1 using the same gears.    RUDY

You are right about that, but the reel specs at mysticparts says 2.25:1 for the 112 and 2.5:1 for the 66 reel. How they manage to get different ratios with the same gear set is far beyond my imagination. :-) :-)
The other possibillity is that the reel specs are incorrect.
I suppose there are no possibility to reach 3:1 for the 112 then.


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

[Ron Jones]

Wow, I've been gone for a bit and everything blows up.
I've done the 66 bridge and pinion on a bunch of 113s. Yes, 2.6 does split the difference between 2.0 and 3.2 but a 66 is a whole lot easier to find and you get a spool if you want to narrow a Senator. On top of that Bryan makes a 7+1 kit.

In all honesty I have kinda decided that the 66 is a better reel to do on the cheap because a Newell base can be found for WAY cheaper than a Tib or old Accurate etc. frame. I'm also pretty sure that the 112H bars will fit and then you have an open top Grouper Special with what has to be 30# of drag and about a zillion handle options.

Like it is said on here often, there is more than one way to skin this cat.

Ron