Jigmaster drag problem

bestout · April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM

I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

johndtuttle · April 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM

Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM
I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

Looking at your photos I think your stack needs one more stainless washer. This is another belleville type that has a ) curve to it.

Your stack seems to have a standard flat washer for it's last one. When the spacing sleeve presses on it, it will cause it to bow (= like so. It is critical that the last one is like this )= so that the force is applied to the outer edge of the washer first. The outer edge is where the greatest drag force is realized. If the force is only applied in the center it is a fraction of the force that could be applied.

The washers are sold in a set and that last one should have a slight bend in it and may be what is the source of the trouble?

bestout · April 10, 2015, 10:58:08 PM

Quote from: johndtuttle on April 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM
I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

Looking at your photos I think your stack needs one more stainless washer. This is another belleville type that has a ) curve to it.

Your stack seems to have a standard flat washer for it's last one. When the spacing sleeve presses on it, it will cause it to bow (= like so. It is critical that the last one is like this =( so that the force is applied to the outer edge of the washer first. The outer edge is where the greatest drag force is realized. If the force is only applied in the center it is a fraction of the force that could be applied.

The washers are sold in a set and that last one should have a slight bend in it and may be what is the source of the trouble?

Thanks for the reply. So what should i do now. This jigmaster use to have 3 washer and 2 thick drag washers.

RowdyW · April 10, 2015, 10:59:06 PM

bestout, It might be that your eared washer is dropping out of the main gear on assembly & laying on top of the gear. When assembling the bridge, gear, washers, & spring washer install the spacer & star wheel & tighten it down. Then remove the star wheel & wind a rubber band around the end of the sleeve to keep the whole assembly tightly together & install in plate. After snugging the 4 screws remove the rubber band & install the star wheel, handle, etc. Like I said it seems like the washers are slipping out when they are unsupported. RUDY

bestout · April 11, 2015, 12:24:30 AM

Quote from: RowdyW on April 10, 2015, 10:59:06 PM
bestout, It might be that your eared washer is dropping out of the main gear on assembly & laying on top of the gear. When assembling the bridge, gear, washers, & spring washer install the spacer & star wheel & tighten it down. Then remove the star wheel & wind a rubber band around the end of the sleeve to keep the whole assembly tightly together & install in plate. After snugging the 4 screws remove the rubber band & install the star wheel, handle, etc. Like I said it seems like the washers are slipping out when they are unsupported. RUDY

When i install the assembly i dont turn the gears upside down i just set them on the table and put the frame on top and screw everything. But ill try the rubberband way

johndtuttle · April 11, 2015, 12:45:59 AM

Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: johndtuttle on April 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM
I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

Looking at your photos I think your stack needs one more stainless washer. This is another belleville type that has a ) curve to it.

Your stack seems to have a standard flat washer for it's last one. When the spacing sleeve presses on it, it will cause it to bow (= like so. It is critical that the last one is like this =( so that the force is applied to the outer edge of the washer first. The outer edge is where the greatest drag force is realized. If the force is only applied in the center it is a fraction of the force that could be applied.

The washers are sold in a set and that last one should have a slight bend in it and may be what is the source of the trouble?
Thanks for the reply. So what should i do now. This jigmaster use to have 3 washer and 2 thick drag washers.

It should have one under gear washer (Part #4) and then 3 drag washers (#6) and 3 stainless washers (#7) sold as a set. What is you drag stack?

Sometimes reels that are bought used are assembled from whatever parts the seller has found. You may not have the proper last stainless washer...

bestout · April 11, 2015, 01:02:56 AM

Quote from: johndtuttle on April 11, 2015, 12:45:59 AM
Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: johndtuttle on April 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM
I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

Looking at your photos I think your stack needs one more stainless washer. This is another belleville type that has a ) curve to it.

Your stack seems to have a standard flat washer for it's last one. When the spacing sleeve presses on it, it will cause it to bow (= like so. It is critical that the last one is like this =( so that the force is applied to the outer edge of the washer first. The outer edge is where the greatest drag force is realized. If the force is only applied in the center it is a fraction of the force that could be applied.

The washers are sold in a set and that last one should have a slight bend in it and may be what is the source of the trouble?
Thanks for the reply. So what should i do now. This jigmaster use to have 3 washer and 2 thick drag washers.

It should have one under gear washer (Part #4) and then 3 drag washers (#6) and 3 stainless washers (#7) sold as a set. What is you drag stack?

Sometimes reels that are bought used are assembled from whatever parts the seller has found. You may not have the proper last stainless washer...

I bought the drag kit from scott the ht100 which i think thats what i did wrong and under the main gear i got the drag washer from the penn senator black. I have it set up like this sleeve, dragwasher under main gear, main gear, drag washer, washer, drag washer, eared washer, drag washer, washer, spacing sleeve, star, handle. Here i did it with the rubberband http://imgur.com/ushzpDx

bestout · April 11, 2015, 01:58:04 AM

Quote from: johndtuttle on April 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Quote from: bestout on April 10, 2015, 05:29:50 PM
I dont understand how the 500L is able to pull 15lb at max am only pulling half of that

Looking at your photos I think your stack needs one more stainless washer. This is another belleville type that has a ) curve to it.

Your stack seems to have a standard flat washer for it's last one. When the spacing sleeve presses on it, it will cause it to bow (= like so. It is critical that the last one is like this )= so that the force is applied to the outer edge of the washer first. The outer edge is where the greatest drag force is realized. If the force is only applied in the center it is a fraction of the force that could be applied.

The washers are sold in a set and that last one should have a slight bend in it and may be what is the source of the trouble?

I just did what you told me and still no luck i have it put it like this =( and still getting 5lb of drag

RowdyW · April 11, 2015, 05:24:22 AM

Can you try another spool?

bestout · April 11, 2015, 05:32:47 AM

Quote from: RowdyW on April 11, 2015, 05:24:22 AM
Can you try another spool?

wow you just hit it right on the spot and now tomorrow im going to fish sooo sad

its the spool . i put the metal one i had old one and i tried to pull line and it was just toooo hard so its the SPOOL and i bought it brand new about a week ago wow......

bestout · April 11, 2015, 05:43:20 AM

Well lets hope nothing big catches the jigmaster .....

RowdyW · April 11, 2015, 05:48:11 AM

pm sent

RowdyW · April 11, 2015, 06:06:30 AM

Glad it got figured out. Everybody on this site tries to help out till it gets solved. Nobody quits till it's done right. Good Luck fishing today. RUDY

bestout · April 11, 2015, 06:19:18 AM

Quote from: RowdyW on April 11, 2015, 06:06:30 AM
Glad it got figured out. Everybody on this site tries to help out till it gets solved. Nobody quits till it's done right. Good Luck fishing today. RUDY

Yep thats why i love this site

and thanks to everyone. Gotta wake up at 4 2hours of sleep

foakes · April 11, 2015, 04:06:59 PM

While doing a Squidder about 3 weeks ago -- experienced similar issues.

After having it back apart 3 times -- and inspecting the spool, which seemed OK -- finally just tried another spool.

No issues -- worked perfect.

This is not the most common issue -- but it happens.

If you bought the spool from a reputable shop -- they should swap it out at no charge.

Best,

Fred