Senator 117, 117-LH, 117L, 117-LH (14/0)

[sdlehr]

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[thorhammer]

Can we date the vintage on 14/0 with non-numbered counter balanced amber torpedo handle, rest of guts are numbered, leather / brass stack?



John

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Can we date the vintage on 14/0 with non-numbered counter balanced amber torpedo handle, rest of guts are numbered, leather / brass stack?



John

First off I would remove the handle and make sure it is has a stock cutout on handle arm and stock gear sleeve.

The reason I say that is because there never was a counterbalance handle for the 14/0 or 16/0. They were power handles from day 1.....if you have a 14/0 with a stock factory counterbalance handle, then you have a very rare find !!

  Ted

[thorhammer]

Ted, sleeve looks like stock brass, and handle shows no hobbyist tooling marks whatsoever. Brige is non-numbered and chromed. Steel main and pinion.

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Ted, sleeve looks like stock brass, and handle shows no hobbyist tooling marks whatsoever. Brige is non-numbered and chromed. Steel main and pinion.

Well, if it is a stock 14/0 gear sleeve, then that is a super rare handle.

  Do you have a 12/0 handle ?? you could try and see if it fits, and if it does, then its a 12/0 gear sleeve.

[Shark Hunter]

Ted,
The 12/0 and up have the same size handle hole.

[Tightlines667]

Photos of the headplate and handle please?

[thorhammer]

Working on it; phones going a lil haywire this week.

[Maxed Out]

Ted,
The 12/0 and up have the same size handle hole.

Are you certain about that Daron ??

The catalog shows a 24-116 as for a 10/0 and 12/0, then a 24-117 for a 14/0 & 16/0. I'm pretty sure those do not interchange

  Ted

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Sid, don't have a 12/0; that's a hole in the roof.

[Shark Hunter]

Ted,
The 12/0 and up have the same size handle hole.

Are you certain about that Daron ??

The catalog shows a 24-116 as for a 10/0 and 12/0, then a 24-117 for a 14/0 & 16/0. I'm pretty sure those do not interchange

 Ted

They do on the reels that are not really old. I'd say 50's and up. Yes that is the case.
I sent Adam and Tom a lot of sleeves for their ss upgrades. Take a look on Adam's website. He only sells one handle for the 116,117 and 118. It fits all three.
That is why you see that barrel handle a lot on 12/0's.

[Superhook]

I believe the very early 14/0 and 16/0 reels used the same guts as the 12/0 . Therefore the 12/0 handle should fit.

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12533.90

Brian mentions the fact on Page 7 regarding his 16/0 first generation .

[Tightlines667]

I think everyone is correct here. 

It is my understanding that the 12/0 and 14/0 handle arms have the same size hole, but different part numbers (on numbered/later reels) since the arm is longer on the 14/0. 

Ray is correct as well,  the early 14/0 and 16/0 used a 12/0 bridge, gear set, sleeve, and handle arm.

John

[thorhammer]

This reel is clear as mud....I just bolted on the 14/0 Tib TBar and fits perfectly. We may have to get Mo and Randy to weigh in.

[Alto Mare]

Ted,
The 12/0 and up have the same size handle hole.

Are you certain about that Daron ??

The catalog shows a 24-116 as for a 10/0 and 12/0, then a 24-117 for a 14/0 & 16/0. I'm pretty sure those do not interchange

  Ted

I say you guys are both correct. A counterbalanced 24-116 will not fit the 14/0,or 16/0. Close, but will not fit.
The later handles could be shared by both.