Odd Z series reel

[Tightlines667]

Guess Scott's and the manual have differing line capacities listed for this guy.  

[Shark Hunter]

I'm Not trying to sound condescending John. I just know his 712z and mine look the same.
I too rely on Scott's database almost daily, but there are mistakes made sometimes.
I only have one of these.

[wailua boy]

Yeah, the line capacities do match. So they are at least a uncommon 712? Does it add any collectibility? You never see any of the Z series in my region, I was glad to find them(it came with a 704, 710). I guess they are more in the NorEast. Thanks guys for info

[Shark Hunter]

If its a Penn, it is collectible to someone.
This is a common 712z.
I paid $60 for mine.
That is a little high, but I wanted it quick.
They usually sell in the $40 to $50 range as of recent.

[oc1]

Mine says 200 yds of 8# and the spool lip is exactly two inches.  Black torpedo.  Don't know the date.  While I was lining it up to take a photo the medallion fell off.  Just epoxy it back on, huh?
-steve

[Alto Mare]

As everyone else has mentioned above, it is a 712Z.
Here is one of my early with the correct box:

and the line specs:


Scott's does have the wrong specs, not a big deal, considering how much they help us, they get away with it.

Mo, you might want to correct that number

Sal

[mizmo67]

When we typed of the specs for the catalog, we took the line cap stat directly off the last run of black pkg boxes, from just before  they discontinued in 2001

Most likely they'd changed the numbers...since the approx line cap. have changed over the years with the intro of new line types.

The old blue box specs would be based on the line classes from the 70's

Going to make some more line notes in the specs file

Thanks for the pic of the owners manual, Sal. Had much more line capacity info per reel than the owners manual we had scanned in from the last run of reels!

REVISED: https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSpinfisher.aspx

[oc1]

The whole line capacity concept and nomenclature is flawed and has become outdated at least a half dozen times.  Early on, the line capacity was stamped on the reel foot.  The capacity was based on cuttyhunk but you had to know the line size that was commonly used in that size reel (e.g. 9 thread, 12 thread, 15 thread) before the yardage made any sense.  When silk line came along, all of a sudden the line capacity stamped on the foot was under stated because silk of the same strength had a smaller diameter and would pack tighter. It all changed again with hard laid silk, dacron, braided nylon, mono, Stren, spectra, etc.  As Mo says, the stated line capacity is only relevant and correct for the line manufacturing technology common at that moment in time.

It would make more sense to express reel capacity in terms of spool volume (cubic centimeters, cubic inches, or whatever).  Then it would be incumbent upon line manufacturers to provide the number of yards per cubic inch (or meters per cubic centimeter).  A package of line would show strength, yards and volume.  But old habits die hard and it might be unreasonable to expect a customer to do arithmetic. 
-steve

[mizmo67]

It would make more sense to express reel capacity in terms of spool volume (cubic centimeters, cubic inches, or whatever).  Then it would be incumbent upon line manufacturers to provide the number of yards per cubic inch (or meters per cubic centimeter).  A package of line would show strength, yards and volume.  But old habits die hard and it might be unreasonable to expect a customer to do arithmetic. 
-steve

That idea makes more sense! Too bad the manufacturers don't see it that way yet.

[wailua boy]

Great stuff and thanks everyone for posting

[ez2cdave]

Yes, that is DEFINITELY a 712Z . . . I really, REALLY hated the Line Rollers on ALL on the Non-Skirted Spool, Penn spinning reels . . . LOL !

My favorite Penn spinners are the 2nd Generation SS Spinfishers ( Metal Bodies ) . . . The "Graphite" bodies of the 3rd Gen's up to, and including, the 5500SS were not my "cup of tea" ( 6500ss & up were still metal ). Generation 4 reels and up will never be in my Tackle Arsenal .

Happy Thanksgiving & Tight Lines !

[oc1]

You can take a piece of fiber string, wrap it three times around the roller,  pull the ends of the string back and forth, and usually get a stuck roller free without marring the surface.  Add a drop of oil, roll it back and forth again, and you're good to go without getting out the tools or having to disassemble anything.
-steve

[Alto Mare]

You can take a piece of fiber string, wrap it three times around the roller,  pull the ends of the string back and forth, and usually get a stuck roller free without marring the surface.  Add a drop of oil, roll it back and forth again, and you're good to go without getting out the tools or having to disassemble anything.
-steve

Very good tip Steve...thanks!

[Gfish]

Bit of a tangent on the original issue, but what about the reel manufactures that list line capacity by diameter a the line e.g. 300 M of .72mm etc., or would this not work 'cause a the variation in winding tension?
Gfish

[oc1]

Expressing line size by diameter is the way to go.  There's always gong to be differences in tension and some difference by how hard laid a braided line is.  But, it better than 200 yds of 20# when you don't know which generation the line is..
-steve