Rookie Mistake

[reelynew]

Hey Guys,

I think I made a rookie mistake.  I'm putting back together an older Daiwa 250x, but it's having issues tripping the bail when turning the handle.  The bail moves back and forth with no problem at all.  With the spool off or without the bail tripped, the rotor moves fine, forward and backwards and extremely smooth after being cleaned and regreased.  It is just when I move the bail forward and try to turn the handle with the bail open it meets so much resistance that the handle starts to unloosen.  Before I go back and disassemble the reel, I'd appreciate any thoughts you guys might have for this newbie. 

Thanks All,

Matt

[Rancanfish]

Hang in there, someone with spinner experience will help. I very rarely do much more than a minor clean up on my spinning reels.

[handi2]

That's a mighty strange one. If it were that much resistance pushing the bail trip lever the crank handle would tighten not loosen. 

Give more info on the reel. Model number and such

[ReelClean]

That's a mighty strange one. If it were that much resistance pushing the bail trip lever the crank handle would tighten not loosen. 

Give more info on the reel. Model number and such

I would tend to agree.
I found a teardown:


It looks like pretty standard internal trip..

[handi2]

Please get a set of proper tools. Nut drivers are the best for removing rotor nuts unless you like ruining the rotor

[reelynew]

Thanks but, I used a ratchet with a deep socket of the correct size.

[handi2]

I was referring to the tutorial guy. I'm not a fan of most YouTube tutorials. Most of them don't even know what the part is called

[Midway Tommy]

I visit 2nd Chance every now and then when I'm going to service a spinner I've never opened up before just to see if there's something tricky that might be inside. As far as his procedures, I take none of it with me when I leave. I guess he gives a beginner a place to start, but knowing what I know about a thorough resto & service I would be very disappointed in a service after I got it back from him. I know it's called 2nd Chance but seems more like 1/2 Done.   

[reelynew]

I think I have an idea on where the issue could be.  I think it could be this particular part inside of the rotor where the bail trips.  It seems as though I can easily swing the bail back and forth by hand manually, but when the rotor spins around the body and goes to cam against the ramp it is not budging and tripping the bail. 

Does this sound reasonable? 

[ReelClean]

Please get a set of proper tools. Nut drivers are the best for removing rotor nuts unless you like ruining the rotor

Offset double ended ring spanners work nicely regardless of the shaft length.

[foakes]

Sometimes, we can get too "insulated" in our procedures and we need to realize that 90% of the "reel services" available to the general public —- are exactly like the way Dennis at 2nd Chance Tackle Does the reels that come across his bench.

I appreciate the fact that he is making these videos available to the angling world.

He is providing a good service —- free of charge to anyone.

Whether we choose to use his methods with regular mechanic's tools —- or go to higher levels of tools and expertise —- is entirely up to each of us.

Yeah, he doesn't use all of the right names for parts, and doesn't clean up everything to a pristine level, and doesn't have the perfect tools —- but he does give anyone interested a basic idea of a basic service to get the reel back to better operation.

Yes, most of us on Alan's site aspire and conduct our reel services to a much higher level —- and that is our choice as collectors, users, and reel techs.  But for production work and getting a reel back on the water —- his methods are perhaps a little crude —- but they are both effective and educational.

I think it is important to meet people where they are —- offer a different and higher approach to reel servicing and restoration —- using the best and the proper tools and a lot of experience.  But his way works also....

I enjoy using good and proper tools, good techniques, achieve near new results —- but there is a whole world out there that doesn't need to do that.

Frankly, the tools I use regularly are probably over the top.  The shop manuals and part numbers, and multiple benches and shops, plus spare parts are nice —- but 2nd Chance gets the job done also.

Some folks will become interested in working on reels at a higher level —- and others will just want to get back on the water with a smoother operating reel.

There is room for both reel nerds and first time amateurs.

Remember, we all started somewhere.

Best, Fred

[JasonGotaProblem]

Fred gives useful insight, as always. We are not the target audience.

But it's frustrating when I'm trying to explain why it's useful to coat every metal surface with a thin layer of grease for a saltwater reel, and that person responds with a link to a videonof a freshwater reel with this fella basically saying that's not necessary.

The problem with dumbing down a set of care instructions to make them more accessible, is that dumb people interpret that to mean anything more thorough is wrong and/or unnecessary.

You run into this in the martial arts world a lot. People thinking they fully understand a complex concept and don't need to dig deeper, because they understood an intentionally incomplete/brief description. And then they go off and try to teach others that.

[handi2]

Thanks but, I used a ratchet with a deep socket of the correct size.

I was referring to the video guy😊

[handi2]

Back to the OP

Your bail trip lever hits that stationary part to cause it to flip over.

That stationary part looks like it's bent up on the leading edge. That might be the problem. Or is the problem.

It's supposed to be a smooth transition with the part being flush them rises up enough to flip the bail closed.

I haven't used the handle to close a bail arm in 35 years.

I always close them by hand. Its second nature now.

Jason does know about Martial Arts 🥋

Keith

[Midway Tommy]

Fred gives useful insight, as always. We are not the target audience.

But it's frustrating when I'm trying to explain why it's useful to coat every metal surface with a thin layer of grease for a saltwater reel, and that person responds with a link to a video that friend says is of this fella basically saying that's not necessary.

The problem with dumbing down a set of care instructions to make them more accessible, is that dumb people interpret that to mean anything more thorough is wrong and/or unnecessary.

You run into this in the martial arts world a lot. People thinking they fully understand a complex concept and don't need to dig deeper, because they understood an intentionally incomplete/brief description. And then they go off and try to teach others that.

Jason, I totally agree! I was brought up under the philosophy and saying that "any job worth doing is worth doing well, even if you don't make as much money".

I may be a little annal about getting every little speck of grease & grime out of body cavity & rotor, but I really cringe when I see most of the old grease scraped off and new grease installed over the top. I also know that grease will eventually work itself into every gear tooth & cavity but I make sure every tooth & cavity is covered before I close the reel up.