Penn senator gear grind

[alantani]

loose tolerances is what the penn senator line is all about.   

[oldmanjoe]

 When I click on the picture  and blow it up , it looks like there is a bushing missing between the gear and sleeve ?   

[Gfish]

Yeah, what's up with that? The drag washers, especially the metal ones should be fairly tight on the gear sleeve.

[Brewcrafter]

The only thing that seems weird is the opinion gear has playin it when I touch it is that normal?

Kinda goes back to my original question - without a spool shaft the pinion gear is going to have plenty of play in it; and that is on top of the fact these reels were built to a whole different set of tolerances "back in the day". - john

[oc1]

That's right.  The pinion is floating on the yoke until it engages the spool.

[thorhammer]

That washer def doesn't look correct. I think someone plugged that in to fill a lost one or something. May be from a 14/0.

[JasonGotaProblem]

I think the next test would be to assemble the reel fully, minus all of the drag disks. Obviously the spool won't turn when you turn the handle. But you can see if it still grinds when you turn the spool.

Is it possible you dropped or otherwise dented the spool or bent the shaft while it was disassembled? That's sounding more and more likely to me if it's still grinding in freespool.

[Bruhhh]

I think I may have found the issue I'm missing part number 9-116 spacing sleeve. Would that be the issue?

[Bruhhh]

I don't see any other part missing than that one. the schematic doesn't  call for any bushings between the main gear and sleeve. The reel hasn't been dropped. it was given to me and then shortly after I put in on a table and started cleaning it hasn't left the table.

[Bruhhh]

And about half the time I'm fully puting the real together the other half I'm just spining gear half of the reel trying to figure out what it is. They make the same noise with or without the spool being put on. If part number 9-116 is important I hope it fixes it.

[Gfish]

I "think" you may need a collar type spacer as this reel has outside access drags. Part #9 would work on a different gear-side plate with a smaller diameter opening. The "right" part in question would be much larger in diameter and be shaped like a top-hat. Lemme look it up and maybe get the right part#.

Yeah, older reels have #136-116—a "collar washer" and were supposed to also have a #140-116—a felt washer(not really imperative unless you have to have it original).
If I'm right, where to get this part?

[JasonGotaProblem]

I believe I have both the top hat and the felt. I'll check in a few hours.

[oldmanjoe]

I just looked at the pictures again .  This is strange ,the top keyed washer is flush look with the gear sleeve threads in the first picture .  The second picture the drag wheel looks like rubbing the side plate rim , and there is no room for the handle .    Like the main gear is sitting on top of the ratchet .    Another possible is the drag stack , like a Ear washer is going before a Key washer .  I did not see a spacer or spring washer or high hat in the pictures .

  lay out the drags and washer in the order you have been dropping the in the cup , and snap a picture

[Bruhhh]

Sorry I put in another washer on top of the drag washers because I got new drag washers and the stack was slight short. The star wheel would make contact with the housing before the drag would be maxed out. So that's why the drag washers look weird it's because there thinner ht100 fiber washers with an extra washer on top of it. But the drag works nicely now. I don't think if there was an issue with the drag washers would cause gear grind I'll try putting it all togeather but without the washers to see.

[Bruhhh]

Also I put them in 10 times now it's fiber, keyed, fiber, eared, fiber. repeat with the last washer being the keyed one it's flush with the main gear cup. Then the washer 8-116 goes on top on them and I added another washer on top of the 8-116 washer to get the max drag out of it without hitting the housing.