Is old better than new

[jgp12000]

I am for enjoying the battle, so not having 15:1 ratio with mucho BBs isn't a deal breaker for me

[Gregory]

Opinion on new reels part 2
I have cleaned and greased the shimano sienna and the fin nor fp2000
Apart from losing a component of the fun nor it is better built than the shimano
Shimano has 4 bb but the plastic is very tinny and you can see they are mass produced
Fin nor has 2 bb , the plastic is thicker and seems better built
It actually looks like a little Chinese penn 😁

[pointbob]

I got 3 words "712" Penn.

would it handle 27 pound chinook in the river?

[foakes]

I got 3 words "712" Penn.

would it handle 27 pound chinook in the river?

I would think it would.

However, I think a better reel for large Salmon in current would be a 710.

Best, Fred

[Gfish]

Depends on how you play 'em. I got exactly that, once. A somewhat dark male, much of the fight probably gone out of him, quite a ways up the river. 10lb. Test on an MG 300, it mostly took patience and constant drag adjustment. I say patience, cause I had to not act on the advice and complaints of all the 1/2 drunk idiots around me. Tasted great smoked-up, though.

[jgp12000]

I have had 3lb bass fight harder than 8lbers,I once read the 3-lbers are the most aggressive size, maybe younger less picky?

[Midway Tommy]

My experience has shown that middle of the line sizes in most species fight much more aggressively than the big Bertha's. The big Mamas are heavier & stronger and just pull harder. They seem to tire out a little quicker, at least in freshwater species anyway.

[nelz]

I got 3 words "712" Penn.

would it handle 27 pound chinook in the river?

My first "big" fish was a 33lb striped bass taken from an inlet with very heavy current. I was using a 712 with 10 or 12 mono. Had plenty of room to follow it along the sandy beach and eventually landed it. So YES. 

PS: Probably my greatest fishing memory, I was only a teen at the time. 

[Lunker Larry]

Back in the early 70s I fished sea run steelhead and coho salmon with a Dam Quick 330. Thought it was the greatest reel ever. Now when I try it I wonder how I fished that reel all day. Strong, a bit heavy and built 'peasant proof' but certainly not the balance and feel of todays reels.

[Midway Tommy]

Back in the early 70s I fished sea run steelhead and coho salmon with a Dam Quick 330. Thought it was the greatest reel ever. Now when I try it I wonder how I fished that reel all day. Strong, a bit heavy and built 'peasant proof' but certainly not the balance and feel of todays reels.

I agree, Larry, I've always felt that, even though that variation of Dam Quick reels are well built with quality materials & parts, they are, other than the original 265 Microlites, unbalanced, sort of awkward to fish and have a tendency to wear you out after a full day of casting or fishing. I don't notice that fishing the fulcrum drag Cardinal line all daylong, though.

[JasonGotaProblem]

Crazy theory I'm gonna throw out there. Parasites probably make a fish not as strong as a fish without them. A huge fish has been around longer and more likely to have encountered a few.

Also I'm not even 40 yet and I'll just say it. 25 year old me could beat my current ####. Nothing about my age and treachery could touch my former athleticism. Especially when you add in all the cumulative injury. Dunno if that happens to fish too.

I'm rambling now but I think I've made my point.

[oc1]

I've seen seatrout that looked like they were on palliative care.  Big suckers.  They stay in the shallows, probably because if they went deeper they'd be eaten by sharks.

[Gfish]

Anadromous salmonids can get pretty beat-up and tired-out heading upstream to the spawning grounds. Part of that is their kidneys start to fail moving from saltwater into freshwater. The above mentioned Fall-run Chinook was caught well past the "wild and scenic" section of the Rogue River(maybe 75 miles up?)where there are some serious "chutes" and several low waterfall areas. Anisaki nematodes are a pretty common parasitic worm in Pacific Coast fish, including Salmonids. If they weaken the fish, the fish is more likely to fall prey to a warm blooded mammal such as a seal. The final stage in the life cycle of this parasite can then be completed.

Wasn't this thread about old vs new?

[jgp12000]

 "What time is it " & I will tell you how to build a watch...   Go Dawgs !!!

[Gregory]

Wasn't this thread about old vs new?
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yes it was  but it branched off when the Penn 712 or 710 discussion started  ,then the salmon discussion started from that
fishing discussions in anyway , shape or form are good
Just like rifle calibre comparison 
but that's another discussion I won't get into 
Cheers
Greg from Aus