6500 c3..

morpheus · April 27, 2012, 08:04:46 PM

Hi ..was just having a look at my reel.i noticed that there was a drag washer under the main gear instead of a washer..i have the single dog wing type.. am planning to put a double wing one ,thks to alan...What should i do,?eliminate this drag washer and out a washer..Note that in my reel there are 4 drag washer whereas in the schematis there is only 3

alantani · April 27, 2012, 08:07:20 PM

so you have a washer under the main gear and three washers inside? if it is a standard set of drag washers, i think you can order them from smoothrag.com. you will need two sets, right? a drag set is $9 each plus shipping. http://smoothdrag.com/price.html

Bryan Young · April 27, 2012, 08:24:37 PM

and order quick because Dawn will be going on vacation very soon.

morpheus · April 28, 2012, 03:48:33 AM

Umm...thks...the washers are ok..my question was..Is iy normal to have a drag washer under the main gear..? I will be using a double wing dog soon:-)...will the copper touch the drag washer under the main gear.

Keta · April 28, 2012, 03:56:53 AM

Tell Dawn you have a reel with a dog, she has washers that clear the wings on the dog.

morpheus · April 28, 2012, 04:17:38 AM

thkss....so does all the abu 6500 have a drag washer under the main gear?

MY REEL SERIAL NUM IS 990302...DO YOU KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A SCHEMATIC..THKS

alantani · April 28, 2012, 06:40:27 AM

they all have to have a washer under the main gear.

Ken_D · April 28, 2012, 07:40:46 AM

Are you planning on going to a dual leaf dog? then you will need a pair of small washers under the gear on the driveshaft, to make room for the second leaf, and small so the leaves will not gall up against them. Which see:

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C3_99-07.pdf

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C_99-05_Thx_to_KD.pdf

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C3_99-03.pdf

NOTE you can save a little green, by just trimming the prongs off the spider washer. If you are not wanting to upgrade your internal drag washers at this time, then you need to buy the smaller 13169's instead of trimming one of the dead washers inside the reel, and whatever's underneath in there now, as your description is kinda fuzzy...to make up the clearance issue for the dual leaf dog. 99-05 is the one showing the mods you can do.

That's why I put these 3 drawings in the post, so you can follow the progression along. Good fixing and fishing, KD

morpheus · April 30, 2012, 04:11:41 AM

Quote from: alantani on April 28, 2012, 06:40:27 AM
they all have to have a washer under the main gear.

ok..some have metal washers and some have drag washers..?am i right alan?mine is a drag washet one...so what i should do i just trim the drag washer under the main gear..?

morpheus · April 30, 2012, 04:13:55 AM

Quote from: Ken_D on April 28, 2012, 07:40:46 AM
Are you planning on going to a dual leaf dog? then you will need a pair of small washers under the gear on the driveshaft, to make room for the second leaf, and small so the leaves will not gall up against them. Which see:

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C3_99-07.pdf

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C_99-05_Thx_to_KD.pdf

http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/ambassadeur/Ambassadeur_6500C3_99-03.pdf

NOTE you can save a little green, by just trimming the prongs off the spider washer. If you are not wanting to upgrade your internal drag washers at this time, then you need to buy the smaller 13169's instead of trimming one of the dead washers inside the reel, and whatever's underneath in there now, as your description is kinda fuzzy...to make up the clearance issue for the dual leaf dog. 99-05 is the one showing the mods you can do.

That's why I put these 3 drawings in the post, so you can follow the progression along. Good fixing and fishing,

ken d..thks...now i understand better..

cajun · November 22, 2012, 05:04:45 AM

Ken, I have a 6500c3 . .. foot number 990504 with the dual ear dog #22088; I ordered the mod. kit to "replace 22088 with 5189,8948,13169,&22804" as the instructions written in on the schematic; Question: Where does the small spring go???
Thank you

Ken_D · November 23, 2012, 04:26:31 PM

Hi.. I will wake up and locate the drawing. It's 8.25 am here, and I just woke up. kd.

Ken_D · November 23, 2012, 04:33:32 PM

Quote from: cajun on November 22, 2012, 05:04:45 AM
Ken, I have a 6500c3 . .. foot number 990504 with the dual ear dog #22088; I ordered the mod. kit to "replace 22088 with 5189,8948,13169,&22804" as the instructions written in on the schematic; Question: Where does the small spring go???
Thank you

OK, I think I got it.... your reel is a 99-05 with the spider under-washer, and a single-leaf anti-reverse dog, and you are going to the dual leaf dog. The spring they refer to is the one that hooks on the little arm on the clutch.
It should not have moved since you were in the reel, unless you took it off.

Go here, and open by hover/clicking the very first image you see, with the two trannys for 4-5-6 Abus. It shows the difference between the older and the newer clutch setups. Good fishing and fixing. kd.
http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2487

cajun · November 24, 2012, 08:07:13 PM

Thanks for the reply, Ken
NO, I bought the reel used and it had the spider washer with single leaf dog; I replaced the spider washer and single leaf dog with
the conversion items hand written on the 99 05 schematic . . .5189,8948,13169, and 22804 . . .because the single leaf dog had
a lot of "reverse" before it caught.

Once I replaced the spider and single leaf with the conversion to a dual leaf dog, the results wasn't much different . . . still a lot
of "reverse" before the dog caught. I'd squeeze the dual leaf together and would shortly get the same results.

Question: From your experience, which is the better AR . . . and is the problem that I'm having with a lot of "reverse" before the dog
engages common and to be expected??
Also, what is the advantage of using the small spring . .. is it necessary or can it be left as is?

By a lot of "reverse", I mean that the handle will turn a full half turn before the dog engages.

Again, Thanks for all the help.

Ken_D · November 25, 2012, 03:21:55 AM

Hello....are the leaves of the dual leaf dog squashed together above or below the driveshaft, or are the leaves in correct orientation, straddling the driveshaft.

No...a 180 handle backwards is way too much. It's usually about 30-40 degrees, so there's
something else not right. Many folks place the leaves wrong. Hopefully that was it. With no reel in hand,
long-distance totally accurate diagnosis can sometimes not happen. Many times, rodsters spread the leaves way too wide, nearly destroying the dog. The leaves can only be successfully re-bent with long needle-nosed pliers very carefully, grasping the leaves one at a time, halfway up, and bending inwards.

Things like the post holding the driveshaft on the brake plate not being fastened, free to spin, handle nut never tightened which allows the handle hole to wobble, deform, and go egg shaped, never able to be tight again, could be happening as well. A reminder to lower the star below the slot cut on the driveshaft, when replacing the handle.

What spring are you re-referring to? The return spring as per the image I suggested you look at, has another job, from anti-reverse. Without that spring, your reel would not return to reel mode, once you placed it in cast mode. It brings the clutch arm back, which lowers the pinion back to the main, to allow cranking.