Penn 113H with 113 Drag Washers?

[myphoenix2301]

I have an old Penn 113H Senator 4/0 Special (red sides) that I cleaned up today.  When I disassembled the drag system there were only three thick drag washers made of a hard fibrous material.  I thought about going with the carbontex washers from Cal's so looked at the PENN schematics.  I see the 113H is supposed to have five washers and the 113 only has three, like mine.  Is my 113H an earlier reel that didn't come with the 5 drag washers?  After reading a couple threads here I see the 113 has black sides.  It looks like I am going to have to buy the whole set of drag washers and metal washers for my reel to upgrade.  Can someone tell me if I am on the right track?  Thanks.
John

[Keta]

It looks like I am going to have to buy the whole set of drag washers and metal washers for my reel to upgrade.  Can someone tell me if I am on the right track?  Thanks.
John

Yes you are.

[myphoenix2301]

Thanks Keta.

[seaeagle2]

For what it's worth, some of the 113h's I picked up off ebay had 3 washer drags.  Some of them also had a steel main gear, and the slots that the eared washers fit in didn't go all the way down the gear so the 5 washer stack wouldn't fit. 

[George4741]

For what it's worth, some of the 113h's I picked up off ebay had 3 washer drags.  Some of them also had a steel main gear, and the slots that the eared washers fit in didn't go all the way down the gear so the 5 washer stack wouldn't fit. 

And if any of those guys want to get rid of their steel gears, I'll take them off of their hands.

[Keta]

And if any of those guys want to get rid of their steel gears, I'll take them off of their hands.

Me too.

[seaeagle2]

My wife was after me cause the number of boxes being delivered to her office was vastly outnumbering the number getting picked up.  So I took what was left after I built up my lightweight 113h tanks, made up a couple reels and sold them, and guess where the steel gears ended up...... I spaced and didn't even mention it in the listings so somebody got a unexpected bonus....

[myphoenix2301]

I guess I had better look again at the main gear to see if the slots go deep enough.  I may have to stick with the 3 drag system.  I have seen a 3-drag set from Smooth Drag on eBay.  Are those any better than the original drag discs?

[Bryan Young]

I would get the 5 stack HT-100 set (including metal washers) and use the extra washers as spacers.   It will be much better than the smoothies.  Option will be to purchase the same in Carbontex.

[myphoenix2301]

Thanks Bryan.  I have an inquiry in to SmOoOth Drag.

[Keta]

You can carefuly grind the slots with a Dremel.

[Alto Mare]

No need to grind the slots, fourth washer from the bottom is eared.

[LTM]

MP,

Decades ago I changed out the drag stack in my 113HN's from 5+1 to the thick 3+1 cause my reel guy said it was better than the HT-100's that came with the reel. Well, since I TANKED these two reels I replaced the original 5 HT-100 drags and metal washers (yes I held on to them for close to 30 years and Im not "anal" just "frugal and resourseful". This is probably what happened in your case as well.

Leo

[myphoenix2301]

Ok, thanks guys.  It sounds like there is only one "eared" metal washer in the 5 carbontex disc system.  I guess I was thinking of my two 321 GTi reels that have two eared metal washers. I will see what SmOoOth Drag says but I think it will be worth checking out the 5 carbontex system for my reel.

[Keta]

It sounds like there is only one "eared" metal washer in the 5 carbontex disc system.  

There is 2 eared metal washers in a 5+1 drag sack, Sal was counting the CF and metal washers.  I would not hesitate to convert a 3 drag stack to a 5+1 stack, the 7+1 hasn't had enough time for me to recommend.

No need to grind the slots, fourth washer from the bottom is eared.

I was thinking about the 7+1 stack with thinner washers.