Reel Repair by Alan Tani

We need both and I actually like the coarse threads better . this reel would be ok if you don't use the thicker star, just trying to make them a little better...if possible. If we could improve... why not .

If you compare the side plate on the 113 to the Jigmaster, you will notice that the 113 bushing doesn't stick out as much, that goes for the 49 and a few others. On these reels with the lower bushing you could use the 10-49 with the hollowed out center to gain more travel with the star, on the Jigmaster it would hit.

To me the best solution is to  consider making the new custom stainless steel sleeve 1 or 2mm longer for all reels, from the 9 to the 113 and adding the 2mm to the new ss handle screw as well.
This would help with the star travel and with the handles, you won't be limited with the thickness of the handle.

As mentioned above, not a big deal though, they've been doing fine for a long time.

Quote from: Alto Mare on December 26, 2014, 04:34:28 AM

As mentioned above, not a big deal though, they've been doing fine for a long time.

Sal, we would still be using our 8 track stereo in our cars if we lived by that rule. I think you have a great idea for improving a time tested design, and that is not an easy task. It's like asking a fisherman to change to a new lure, when the one he's been using has worked great for eons. Your explanation is very well thought out, and makes sense to me.....get er dun Sal !!!

I have been reading along on this thread trying to pickup on some ideas for the surfmaster 200 and was wondering if the gears or applications are the same as the Jigmaster 501 or the penn 113 since I haven't access to the 501 or 113 other then what is mentioned here. Are any of these parts interchangeable? 

Same application for most, but no, the 200 doesn't share much with the 501 and 113.
Well, most share the clutch springs and spacers, that's why I mentioned that it is good to grab some of those custom spacers.
The Surfmasters, are similar to the Squidder, they share the same guts, except the pinion. You could install the surfmaster's pinion on the Squidder, even though it's not listed at Scott's, I've done it with no problem.
The Surfmaster sizes are 200-150-100, the squidder are 140-145-146, they're the same in size, but the squidder has bearing, this means different plates and spool.
The Surfmaster has also a bigger brother, the 250. That one shares some parts with the Jigmaster, Squidders and a few others.

Sal

Very good explanation Sal: Now I can reason on the discussions here much better when it comes to the 200.
Thank you.

I received a shipment from McMaster-Carr today and after trying different things, to me this is the best we could do on the Jigmaster

I used  Ultra-Wear-Resistant PTFE-Filled Delrin® Acetal Resin for under the main gear http://www.mcmaster.com/#acetal-sheets/=v97baf
Bryan's 5 washers kit
One of these on top: http://www.mcmaster.com/#3573A17



And Black Pearl's 11.5 custom spacer, the ID is just a little larger on the Acetal spring washer, but if you use Black Pearl's spacer you will be fine
This reel is amazingly smooth, very little heat build up and stayed smooth up to 30lbs
Give it a shot on your own and let me know how it feels.

Some friends sent me .20 stock,  when I tried to punch it and hit it with the hammer it would split, no matter if I did the ID first, or the OD. At times I got lucky, but lots of waste
I thought about a arbor press, Aaron confirmed that it would be a good choice, so I grabbed one.

yes, you could use the cheap cutters with this, but still need to use it gently. I press a little at a time, as pomping and haven't lost one, If you try with one press, it will still split.
I have some leather cutters from Germany, but are too tall, I will trim them down and use them. This press is a 1 ton press, Harbor Freight has it on sale for $49.99 from $79.99 and you'll get an additional 20% off, but don't remember when it expires.
I got this one for $39.99 http://www.harborfreight.com/1-ton-arbor-press-3552.html
With that said, it might still be a good idea to let someone else cut these for us.  I believe Dawn carries these
Tools pile up quick, I got the press because I do a lot of experimenting, this tool is heavy and need its own spot that I don't have. It might not be worth it for you, besides, it works, but it isn't great to use.
Also, if you already have the Delrin that we started with, I wouldn't get rid of it just yet, I'm still using it.
I have a bunch and will be using it until I run out, it has been doinbg just fine for me.


I'm not crazy about the belleville on the left, on the first pic, but do like the stainless steel wave washer in the middle. That washer is much better than stock, I just need to find one a little thinner.

Again, the best combination with the drags on the Jigmaster, is the one I'm showing on the right. It will be very hard for me to change it on my personal reels.

Enjoy it for what it's worth.

Sal

This is really great stuff,Sal. I'm gonna run the same thing on my Tuna Special. I run Lee's inserts on my Jigmasters but I haven't figured out how to get perfect HT-100 Hex washers and so I'm not getting the drag numbers I need for 80# test line. 30#s is more than I need and that is never a bad thing.

Ron

Ron, inserts are nice, but I'm finding that on smaller reels, you can't beat Bryan's kits. Inserts are doing great on the 113H's, 114H's and 115, but I like how the smaller reels feel with Bryan's kits.
Just one of those things, it might be just me .

That spring washer is a genius Idea Sal! Seems like it would make it A LOT smoother. I have been playing around with the drags and here is just one idea to add. I took Alan's new SS sleeves that have been milled to allow for a washer to be placed and here is what I did.

This is Newell Nut/Bryan/Alans idea for the washer as it resembles the newell setup. I used Bryan's 0.5mm 5-60 washer as the jigmaster OD just seems to big for an under gear washer. I then used

QuoteUltra-Wear-Resistant PTFE-Filled Delrin® Acetal Resin for under the main gear

as Sal directed. I used the 0.020 thickness which is 0.5mm



Fit Very nice with no interference with the dogs. Creates a very smooth surface for the delrin.




Placed it all together with another delrin washer under the spring washer that comes with Bryan's kit, as I dont have those nice ones from Mcmaster.



I had to use Alan C.'s 10.5mm custom spacer and it all fit very nice! Also, I had to switch back to the 10-60 drag star as the 10-66 leaves the drag starting at 0-5# of drag well the 60 lets me start at 0 like I like.

Very nice Jason. I'm not sure about that sleeve, I don't have one, but looks like the same principal. This Jigmaster, with the layout shown above, is the smoothest I have.

Good Work Sal. I can't keep up.

Yeah, you're right, I think I'm going to stop here for a while, This latest is good .

Quote from: Alto Mare on December 31, 2014, 10:33:07 AM
Ron, inserts are nice, but I'm finding that on smaller reels, you can't beat Bryan's kits. Inserts are doing great on the 113H's, 114H's and 115, but I like how the smaller reels feel with Bryan's kits.
Just one of those things, it might be just me .

I've been seeing spun CF washers on 60 size gears and zero drag.

Sal, thanks for posting this, it really helps.  Takes a lot of tinkering to get things just right, and this is a definate time-saver for the rest of us.

Thank you for your understanding, yes a lot goes into it and if in the long run it would make it better for all us, I'm happy.
I have three work benches that are a mess, I gave up straightening them out, it's a lost cause .

Sal