Reel Repair by Alan Tani

I'm sure it's been covered before but could someone tell me were to find instruction on how to mag a reel. Also were to get the magnets.

Joe

I got my magnets from Harbor Freight but as far as magging the reel goes I have no idea.....

Fred magged my reel for me while doing other services...

Joe, Mo showed magging a Penn 109.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=18306.0
-steve

  Hi Joe. I've magged several reels...and it will slow the spool. You'll barely notice any difference when spinning the spool by hand, but when the reel is cast, that spool is moving way faster. That's when the magnets come into play...the electromotive force that they build gets higher as spool speed increases.
  Here's a few pics of my magged Jigmaster. The magnets aren't attached by anything more than magnetism, and the steel washers are epoxied to the side plate. The side plate was roughed under the washers...I scratched cross hatches into the plate with an exacto knife...this makes a good bond. Clearance is tight so check positioning before slathering on the epoxy. The magnets are arranged with poles alternating.(+-+-)
  The link below goes to the magnets I bought on eBay. There are many sizes available. Just be careful handling these magnets...they are so powerful they snap together hard...and chip easily.

                        http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-12mm-X-3mm-Round-Disc-Super-Strong-Rare-Earth-Magnets-Neodymium-US-SHIPPED-/112105859890?hash=item1a1a07ab32:g:~5gAAOSwFNZWwAyX

Magnets need to be the rare earth variety --

The magnets are installed inside the tailplate --

I use tiny washers glued to the inside of the plate with Tac Glue -- generally about 6 or so --

Then the magnets can be purchased online through Amazon -- made in China -- about 10 to a tube --

Get maybe 3 tubes -- and you will have enough for a couple of reels, or more --

Attach the magnets to the washers -- alternating the polarity --

This works on any metal spool -- including working very well on aluminum spools -- without gluing magnets to the spool -- the reason is called the "Lenz Effect"...

I am not a scientist -- so I may get this a little wrong, but basically ANY metallic material rotating ahead and through a magnetic field -- sets up a magnetic/electrical Eddy field -- that creates resistance without friction -- thus slowing down the rotating spool to help eliminate backlashes and birdnests when casting -- particularly when fishing heavy metal and lures.

It's simply a case of determining if you have room between the aluminum spool side and the reel's side plate, if there is a free location for the mag(s) to occupy, the distance between the spool side and the reel's side plate will determine whether or not to glue the mag(s) directly to the side plate or glue washers to the side plate so that mag(s) can be removed or added (more versatile).

You can experiment with stacking multiple mags on top of each other for more back-braking power.

After the mag(s) have been glued in or placed on the steel, you coat the whole thing with a bit of grease or oil to keep from rusting. Then you get to test it all out. How does it work? The magnetic eddy currents react with metal (the non-magnetic aluminum spool) and induce a braking force on the spool. This eddy effect really becomes noticeable only at high revolutions, as in when you've launched a lure or bait.

The faster the spool spins -- the more braking power is set up through the Eddy Field.  

This is the same principle used to stop or slow down trains.

You can look up Lenz Principle -- to get more info.  But if you do this -- it just works like magic.

Like most of us -- I don't have to understand the theories and principles of physics or electronics -- I just turn on the light switch and enjoy the results.

Not trying to be a smart-alec with this long explanation -- just wanted to explain why it works with aluminum -- since aluminum is not magnetic.

This will not work on graphite spools without metal or mags glued to the spool -- spools must be metal.

Best Always,

Fred

Mo and Fred; that certainly works for me, and I don't have to understand the principles of lenz as you have stated all I need to know is "It works"  Thank you guys for that information.

Joe 

Joe, get yourself a 970 and be done with it. That reel has one of the best magnet out there.
Mo, you're showing yours going around, I thought they needed to be on one side of the plate, but yours is doing just fine.
I've done a couple, on the 100 I used this magnets from Scotts
http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/010_zpse49857e3.jpg.html
So far its holding up, but it hasn't been long yet.

Joe. just type "magging" in the search box and you'll find all the relevant information.


Sid

   I thought it might be good to add something here concerning the number of magnets used. How is it some reels can be slowed with a single magnet and others require more? It's mostly due to inertia...heavier spools have more inertia. Everyone knows it takes more braking to stop a train than is needed for a Volkswagen. A nice new aluminum spool can be slowed with a single magnet while an old bronze chromed spool takes several. My Jigmaster has the old heavy bronze/chrome spool...it acts like that train...and needs more braking. The strength of the magnet is also a factor in determining how many are needed. Those stock Penn magnets are POWERFUL...one is usually all you'll need. The fleabay magnets are strong too, but not as strong as the Penn magnets. I've seen guys use up to six of the little Chinese magnets, but I've never used more than four. These pics show my Surfmaster 100 does great with only two, and my 109 uses only one.

Guys, this is a bunch of information to digest as to what magnets to use and what system to use. Sal as far as buying a 970 reel and be done with it, I don't need another reel I just wanted to improve the cast-ability of the ones I have built such as the JigMasters and surf-master I already have.

Sal; in you photo you are showing a mag system from Scott's I'm assume that is a horseshoe system with 4-mags. Right? Would that work in the Jig-Master and the Surf-Master?

Mo; your suggesting a different system and arrangements as well as a different supplier and I assume that is working for different reels such is I've mentioned.

Fred; you have suggested basically the same mag arrangement as Mo with Rare-Earth-Magnets.

Sid; I have done what you suggested and found and extensive explanation of the mag system and the principals of Lenz's and the different sizes and thickness of the mags that this person uses, and recommends gold plated.

I appreciate all the information you guys have given me very much, but can you understand my confusion with all of this and I don't want to sound ungrateful because I am not. That is why I posted this question to this forum because I knew there were guys who could give me the information I wanted.

I guess I have to decide which one suggestion to go on at this point Please guy's don't feel insulted by my comments, it wasn't meant to be insulting rather I feel I was looking for a simple solution for a complicated issue.

Joe         

Joe, sorry for confusing things, I should have realized you were talking about your Jigmaster and should have never mention the 970.
Most kits that you're going to run into will be hit or miss, what I mean the reel need to feel good to your fishing style.
Unless the kit goes through the plate, having a knob that would move the magnets in closer to the spool or away from it, you might have to add more magnets on top of the fixed ones. This would be on the fixed ones, as everyone is showing...including me.
I'm terrible casting conventionals and just needed something to make things a little easier on me, what I've done works and works very nice, but that might not be the case for you.
Here is the kit that I installed on the 100:

https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/302-525MAG.aspx

Again, this kit is meant to be set on an adjustable knob, mine is just fixed to the plate.

If you look on line, you will find some great kits for magging your Jigmaster, unfortunately, you will need to drill your plate with a nice size hole.
I did not want to go there, and I'm sure neither do you.

On a good note, Alan Chui ( ProChallenger) is corrently working on having one of these plates with adjustable magnet already installed.

Sal

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Quote from: Alto Mare on January 21, 2017, 02:10:01 PM
Joe, sorry for confusing things, I should have realized you were talking about your Jigmaster and should have never mention the 970.
Most kits that you're going to run into will be hit or miss, what I mean the reel need to feel good to your fishing style.
Unless the kit goes through the plate, having a knob that would move the magnets in closer to the spool or away from it, you might have to add more magnets on top of the fixed ones. This would be on the fixed ones, as everyone is showing...including me.
I'm terrible casting conventionals and just needed something to make things a little easier on me, what I've done works and works very nice, but that might not be the case for you.
Here is the kit that I installed on the 100:

https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/302-525MAG.aspx

Again, this kit is meant to be set on an adjustable knob, mine is just fixed to the plate.

If you look on line, you will find some great kits for magging your Jigmaster, unfortunately, you will need to drill your plate with a nice size hole.
I did not want to go there, and I'm sure neither do you.

On a good note, Alan Chui ( ProChallenger) is corrently working on having one of these plates with adjustable magnet already installed.

Sal

Sal; I'm glad you responded this morning, because I planed on going to Scott's today to visit Mo to show her the 501 that I built ans some others, as well I can pickup a few of those magnets you are showing.

Thanks pal.................Joe


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Joe, keep in mind those need to be customized, as removing the tabs on the back side so you could glue them on the plate.

Quote from: Reel 224 on January 21, 2017, 01:20:41 PM
Please guy's don't feel insulted by my comments, it wasn't meant to be insulting rather I feel I was looking for a simple solution for a complicated issue.        

   No worries Joe...magging a reel is only complicated in the book sense. All the big talk and physics of the principal could confuse Einstein. Simplicity is why I went the epoxy/steel washer/magnet route. The actual act of installing them in the reel couldn't be simpler. It's height adjustable(just add more washers or stack another magnet) and removable too. Just dive into a reel and give it a go. What's the worst thing that can happen? A washer glued to the inside of the side plate where nobody will even see it? Go for it!

Sal; I am on my way to Scott's to show Mo the 501 that I built, and I talked to Scott this morning to tell him to pull three of the Penn mag systems for me, I realized when I saw the picture of the mag system I would have to do some alterations. Thanks.

Mo; I also purchased the magnets that you suggested from the source on E-Bay Since I have a bunch of open reels (Conventional) that I fish with all the time. So I can as you say "Go for it".

Thanks guys................Joe