cardinal 4 carbon fiber drag

Started by handyandy, March 17, 2017, 01:45:04 PM

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Tightlines667

Quote from: oc1 on March 23, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Tommy, you could try putting baking soda around the inside hole and then a drop of any cyanoacrylate (super glue), including Tac Glue.  The baking soda instantly becomes rock hard.  The hardened baking soda/super glue can be sanded, milled or shaped any way you like it.

The baking soda is also useful if you ever get too much cyanoacrylate on a project.  Dust it with baking soda and it will instantly dry.  Also great for filling cracks.  Its amazing stuff with lots of uses.
-steve

Interesting.  Sounds like a good tip.  Makes me wonder why I used filler fir my model plane projects.
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Midway Tommy

Quote from: oc1 on March 23, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Tommy, you could try putting baking soda around the inside hole and then a drop of any cyanoacrylate (super glue), including Tac Glue.  The baking soda instantly becomes rock hard.  The hardened baking soda/super glue can be sanded, milled or shaped any way you like it.

The baking soda is also useful if you ever get too much cyanoacrylate on a project.  Dust it with baking soda and it will instantly dry.  Also great for filling cracks.  Its amazing stuff with lots of uses.
-steve

Quotecyanoacrylate
That's one big word!  ;D Thanks for the tip, Steve. I've never heard that before.  :)
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handyandy

After hearing about the baking soda and how good the tac glue is I ordered up some of the tac glue when it comes in I may have to give it a shot gluing two carbon disc together using some baking soda I think two carbon ones with the hard glue baking soda in between could work.

Gfish

Good thread. Here's one thing I tried: took the original cardinal 4 washers sanded 'em down to a 0.5mm thickness and glued 0.5 mm new C-tex material onto either side of each of these old washers. When testing after reassembly I had alternating high and low friction drag at any given setting. So my sanding wasn't even enough and possibly the glue produced high/low spots. Back to the drawing board.

My thinking was mabey the old hard drag material would be stiff enough at 0.5mm and it was, but I might need better tooling to get an even surface on anything I fabricate in terms of the "meat" of the "drag sandwhich".

Gonna focus ona metal washer I can use without too much lap type grinding. Headin to the hardware store...
Gfish
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Gfish

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Allright, the best option I could find for me in the hw store was metal gromets(in the pic), which I hammered flat. Od.-perfect, Id.-good for reaming out without too much work, the key thing for me: thickness=0.5mm, 0.45mm after lapping. Washer sandwhichs(my new word for it), aprox. 1.5mm each, after completion. The pic shows a completed, installed stack, a gromet, gromet processed into a washer and cut C-tex washer.
Testing: everything held up while pulling out drag all the way to almost lock-down. But, not smooth. Start-up was good. But there was a constant alternating-friction-pull-difference for the same 1/4 turn area of the spool. It is however, a big improvement over both the last incarnation I came up with, and the way it worked when I first received it. I don't think it'ed break off a drag pullin fish in it's present state.
Quite probably one 'er both metal washers aren't completely flat. So, I still gotta get a better source for a 0.5mm thick washer, Od=14.95mm, Id=6.36mm.
Gfish
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

handyandy

Nice to see someone trying to experiment and improve upon the design. I haven't had much time lately to mess with reels have had a lot of cars to work on and now need to pull the transmission from my own truck. Before I mess with my cardinal 4 more I have a quick super I need to mess with to get ready for a louisiana coastal trip I'm going on in may not to mention get the trans rebuilt in my truck before it as well.  :-\

steelfish

Quote from: foakes on March 23, 2017, 04:14:28 PMCheck out the fishing applications -- lots of folks are using it for dissimilar splices and securing rigs.

Got mine at Fred Hall a couple of years ago for $10, show special -- after seeing a few demonstrations.

On sale now for just a hair more.
Best,
Fred
http://www.tacglue.com/

I remember seeing this Glue at the Fred Hall show in Del Mar (san diego) back some years ago (around 2012 I think) and wanted to get it but I had hurry to check some add with "special" prices on rods, etc so, I forgot to get me a bottle and never remembered the name of the product.
I went to the website and saw their promo videos and well, this is the same Glue and with Fred saying he got it at the Fred Hall show there is no doubt its the one.

cool, go figure I would find it 10 years later  ^-^  ;D

thanks Fred for always showing the products that you find useful compared to the regular commercial ones

I will order a regular glue bottle and Gel one too


BTW, back in the original topic, anyone found any advantage on using CF washers compared to stock ones on these UL spinning reels?
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