Beast Master 80/130 handle locking

Started by Easybreezey, April 04, 2022, 06:07:55 PM

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Easybreezey

Good afternoon everyone, got a question that is above my head. I bought a old Beast Master 80/130 a few months back. As with these reels I cleaned the goop out of it. Replaced the pressure plate, drag washer (original fabric, if possible one day would like to get a carbon fiber), and pressure seal strip. Afterwards the reel worked like a dream. Until this past sharking adventure. Was winding in after a wild string of events. Cranking in high gear the weight got hung and immediately the handle got stuck. Swapped into low and it freed the handle. Of course I had to swap it back in high to see if it would happen again. To which it did. It's not that it gets hard to crank, it's that the actual handle gets stuck. Again I did all the repairs personally and I am not an expert. All of the gears looked proper and I greased them well. Before I tear it back apart just curious what y'all would think a good starting point is.

alantani

this one is going to be tough.  the reel is rare enough that most of us have worked on maybe a few, but likely years ago.  without the reel in hand, it would be tough to figure out.  the answer is certainly in there, somewhere, though.  for something like this, it's always foot bone to ankle bone, ankle bone to leg bone, leg bone to knee bone, etc..  you get the idea.  normally, i would say to look for a small piece of junk caught in the gear teeth.  it might be worth a second look.  like i said, the answer is in there, somewhere.   :-\
send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

Robert Janssen

Gear shift mechanism getting stuck between the two drive gears / not completing its full shift movement, thereby not freeing the one gear when shifting to the next, and thusly binding ?
Just a thought.

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Easybreezey

Quote from: Robert Janssen on April 04, 2022, 07:57:22 PMGear shift mechanism getting stuck between the two drive gears / not completing its full shift movement, thereby not freeing the one gear when shifting to the next, and thusly binding ?
Just a thought.

Possibly. My only thought would be that high gear worked fine when spoiling it. However when against a decent amount of force it got stuck. I couldn't crank against it if I wanted to unless I was asking to break something.

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Easybreezey

Took it apart again two days ago. Closely inspected all the gears. Did not see any defects. I greased and put it back together to fish the next day with. It had the same issue again. It would crank fine in high aslong as there was no pressure. But once there was pressure it locked. Also when I placed it in low I had to jar the handle in order to crank.

Easybreezey

Quote from: Robert Janssen on April 04, 2022, 07:57:22 PMGear shift mechanism getting stuck between the two drive gears / not completing its full shift movement, thereby not freeing the one gear when shifting to the next, and thusly binding ?
Just a thought.


Beginning to think this is likely. How would you fix this.

Robert Janssen

#6
Well... given the supposition that:
a) it did work, and
b) now it does not

then something changed. Did you or anyone else take it apart previously? Did they perhaps put the springs back in the wrong order? (there are probably two; one stronger and one weaker) Or maybe one spring broke, from old age or fatigue, who knows?

If not, maybe it is just gunked up. Either take the mechanism completely apart and inspect, or give it a shot of WD-40 and give it some exercise. Psshhht, clickey clickey crankey crankey... see if something changes.

I'm sure you will figure it out with some thought and some patience.

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Wompus Cat

Since it was working fine as you say before it got Hung on something I would suspect a Busted Bearing or bent spindle since as you also state it happens under a load .
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Easybreezey

Quote from: Robert Janssen on April 16, 2022, 08:58:11 PMWell... given the supposition that:
a) it did work, and
b) now it does not

then something changed. Did you or anyone else take it apart previously? Did they perhaps put the springs back in the wrong order? (there are probably two; one stronger and one weaker) Or maybe one spring broke, from old age or fatigue, who knows?

If not, maybe it is just gunked up. Either take the mechanism completely apart and inspect, or give it a shot of WD-40 and give it some exercise. Psshhht, clickey clickey crankey crankey... see if something changes.

I'm sure you will figure it out with some thought and some patience.

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I took it apart and tested the shift. The springs seem to operate fine. However the freed gears don't seem to spin as freely as they should. Possible that could be the issue?

handi2

Quote from: Easybreezey on April 16, 2022, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: Robert Janssen on April 16, 2022, 08:58:11 PMWell... given the supposition that:
a) it did work, and
b) now it does not

then something changed. Did you or anyone else take it apart previously? Did they perhaps put the springs back in the wrong order? (there are probably two; one stronger and one weaker) Or maybe one spring broke, from old age or fatigue, who knows?

If not, maybe it is just gunked up. Either take the mechanism completely apart and inspect, or give it a shot of WD-40 and give it some exercise. Psshhht, clickey clickey crankey crankey... see if something changes.

I'm sure you will figure it out with some thought and some patience.

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I took it apart and tested the shift. The springs seem to operate fine. However the freed gears don't seem to spin as freely as they should. Possible that could be the issue?

It looks like the crappy Penn International SW design

They used a tiny clip in the same area to de the same thing

Keith
OCD Reel Service & Repair
Gulf Breeze, FL

Robert Janssen

#10
I think you are on the right track. A bit more patience & concentration, and you are going to figure it out.

I don't have one of these in front of me or know exactly how they are made. I do know of another manufacturer however, who used a peculiar design on the shift release mechanism, wherein the sliding shift release plate looked identical from both sides, but was not. So if a user happened to install the plate upside down, it would do precisely what your reel is doing. (The position of the sliding shift release plate is what determines the position of the shift dog inside the mechanism after all)

Maybe it is something as simple as that.
Stick with it. You'll figure it out.

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Easybreezey

Well everyone. I believe I have solved the issue. And I really regret to say what it was because it was 110% fault. I will start by saying that this is the first lever drag reel I have ever had much less serviced. The only real experience before this was with a diawa sealine 900h and a 14/0 senator. So. I'm still rather green. However I caused this conundrum myself. A few weeks back when I had taken apart to practice and grease it the spring washers fell off the shaft. They fell into a semi straight line so I just put them back on the way that it looked they fell off. However upon closer review of the schematic I had noticed that the spacing was not what it was supposed to be. After arranging them the correct way reel works just as it should. Based on my buddy holding the line and me cranking. Still have to test it out on the beach hopefully next weekend. Fingers crossed. Sorry for the time wasted haha

Easybreezey

One of the 4 from Friday. Hopefully more to come Saturday.

Easybreezey

Also haven't been able to find much about the max drag on this reel. And in case anyone was wondering at full spool with tightened preset topped out at 164.2lbs

Brewcrafter

It'd great that you solved it!  Not a waste of time at all, we all learn and succeed as a community here.  Nice shark! - john