Shimano Waxwing 138S - WTB

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Brewcrafter

Asking for a friend; anyone have a stash of old Shimano Waxwing 138S collecting dust?  Preferably in bone/white color?  He had a rough trip on our 8 day (two fish going after same lure sometimes does not end well).  Thanks! - john

Cor

Shhhhh, but I was once asked to copy one, but after costing all the requirements, silicone, resin and whatever with no reward for me the friend decided it was to expensive and abandoned the project!   Especially not knowing if a copy would work.
Cornelis

Brewcrafter

Cor - I have come to find there are seemingly a LOT of them out there that are still NIB (at least here in the USA).  I almost wonder if they are still a regular "over the shelf" item in Japan or other regions? - john

Cor

Quote from: Brewcrafter on July 17, 2022, 07:41:42 AMCor - I have come to find there are seemingly a LOT of them out there that are still NIB (at least here in the USA).  I almost wonder if they are still a regular "over the shelf" item in Japan or other regions? - john
I for one would not know.  Maybe those that have them decided they don't work ;D  I have once or twice seen one person use one of those "wonder" lures but was not impressed with the action not with the fact that no fish came after it or tried to eat it.

Nobody that I know uses one.

What I have seen a lot of lately is youngsters making what they call "stick baits" very nicely painted to look like a bait fishy.   I don't like the way those things move in the water either, but at least with those things I have twice seen fish come up and have a good look at them while totally disregarding other lures.

I am am very stuck in my ways and feel I know what works.
Cornelis

Brewcrafter

I was told by a tackleshop owner that they fell out of favor due to the plastic "wings" breaking easily if the lure was knocked against the boat or on the deck with a fish, rendering them useless.  I do not know if that is a fact but it certainly seems plausible.  But I must say it certainly is fun watching them get freight trained by a yellowtail on the retrieve... - john

Vintage Offshore Tackle

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They work great for yellowfin too, and they are a lot less work than a popper. 

Cor

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Quote from: Brewcrafter on July 17, 2022, 02:39:37 PMI was told by a tackleshop owner that they fell out of favor due to the plastic "wings" breaking easily if the lure was knocked against the boat or on the deck with a fish, rendering them useless.  I do not know if that is a fact but it certainly seems plausible.  But I must say it certainly is fun watching them get freight trained by a yellowtail on the retrieve... - john
No idea ....sorry.
You've seen them used more then me I think.

Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on July 17, 2022, 02:52:56 PMThey work great for yellowfin too, and they are a lot less work than a popper. 
How would you wind it....I would try on top of the water but have no knowledge of that device.
We use what we call plugs for Yellowfin, wind it on top of the water and you get the most amazing takes and surface action.   Iron also works for Yellowfin, but just not the same fun!
Cornelis

Gfish

I troll with mine. Not many tooth marks on them. The fish seem to go almost exclusively for the fly ~ 4' above the lure. They do seem to have good action, skirting quickly to the side at odd intervals. Looks good to ME anyway, the fish?
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

Brewcrafter

Cor - I start winding right after it hits the water.  With the 7.1 : 1 retrieve on my Lexa 400, it comes humming back just below the surface and has that great erratic retrieve. - john

Cor

Quote from: Brewcrafter on July 17, 2022, 07:16:26 PMCor - I start winding right after it hits the water.  With the 7.1 : 1 retrieve on my Lexa 400, it comes humming back just below the surface and has that great erratic retrieve. - john
Ill try to borrow one and try it.   Saw one used on maybe two occasions, but did nothing I liked.  Swam on its side I think like a wet rag. ;)   Will give feedback.  ;D
Cornelis

jurelometer

John:

It's been awhile since I've thrown a waxwing.  Seem to remember that at slower speeds it not very active, and that this is more of a speed-wind jig.   Is that correct?

I think that speed jigs generally represent a healthy bait making a break for it after losing contact with the school.  Most effective during an active feeding situation  when target species are aggressive and competing.

Gfish

Yup. Speed's the deal, with some quick jerks. I like the way they are balanced. If you wanna let 'em sink(about 30 degrees, with the head up) they won't tangle.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

Brewcrafter

Speedy retrieve, and something about the combination of the weighting, the anchor point for the line, and the two wings,  when it is working properly it seems to have an exaggerated side to side action, with periodically a random "kick" to one side or the other. - john

Cor

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:d Went out to sea today and tried the Waxwing...... Indeed I came to a completely different conclusion then wat I was told before.
It has a very different action to an Iron but I can see no reason why a game fish will not eat it.  There were quite a lot of Yellowtail and Bonita around, but this time of the year the fish tend to stay deep and they don't usually come to the surface to chase bait. 

I see the weight of the lure as a bit of a downside, It is quite difficult to cast with a conventional reel (and in some wind).  I felt sure that if I could sink the Waxwing to where the fish were it would have caught one, but sinking is not an option with such a light device.

A fast retrieve also seems to work well.

This small Yellowtail could not resist my lure, despite his stomach being filled with Anchovies 8) Not a valid attachment ID.


Cornelis

Brewcrafter