long casting

Started by Donnyboat, November 11, 2022, 02:56:49 AM

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Rivverrat

 Hey, u all this has become a wonderful thread. A lot of good thoughts. It's very much appreciated by me.

 Other reason for wetting line prior to cast on a conventional reel is helps a lot when tossing lighter than normal baits.

 People in my hood think I'm crazy when they see me out casting in the front part of my property.

 I'm always trying different stuff, lines,learning new cast techniques.

 It's good to know others are crazy like me ... Jeff :d

Gfish

I like the passerby comments; "hey didja catch catch any thing?".
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

Rivverrat

Quote from: Gfish on November 17, 2022, 07:26:00 PMI like the passerby comments; "hey didja catch catch any thing?".

  I got tired of this more than 15 years ago >:D

Cor

Quote from: Rivverrat on November 17, 2022, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: Gfish on November 17, 2022, 07:26:00 PMI like the passerby comments; "hey didja catch catch any thing?".

  I got tired of this more than 15 years ago >:D
Same as someone asking "any luck today" when they see you with a fishing rod.
Cornelis

Breadfan

#34
95% of my fishing is off the beach and long cast of 90yds+ is a must, many times straight into a headwind. I use 17lb mono with Daiwa, Rocket Reels, Abu and Omoto conventional reels with Abec 5 ceramic hybrid bearings and 11- 13ft rods. The record for 125 gram long distance is right at 290 yds, set with a Omoto CX530 (5000 size) reel with the same Chinese Abec 5 Hybrids that I now use. I believe the rod was a Zipplex. For what it's worth, its more rod than anything else when you are going for distance. My long casting outfit is a Tommy Farmer 13, with the Omoto CX530 Chief mono mag and the same Hybrid Abec 5's. Of course, I don't get that distance but I can chuck it pretty far! But, my fishing set ups are 6000 size conventional reels (with the Abec 5 hybrids) and 13'4" (The Whip) Thrasher rods. They are composite and not what you would call long distance rods, but they fight the fish they way I need them to and I have to put a lot of effort to get them out there but, its just technique. We love the east coast for Pompano and we are all about distance!

Breadfan

#35
Quote from: Rivverrat on November 17, 2022, 05:24:36 PMHey, u all this has become a wonderful thread. A lot of good thoughts. It's very much appreciated by me.

 Other reason for wetting line prior to cast on a conventional reel is helps a lot when tossing lighter than normal baits.

 People in my hood think I'm crazy when they see me out casting in the front part of my property.

 I'm always trying different stuff, lines,learning new cast techniques.

 It's good to know others are crazy like me ... Jeff :d

I live in a condo and my garage is my workshop. I am always going out back to our 300 yd lake testing my surf rods and people look at me strangely also when I walk down to the lake to do some testing, long surf rod in hand and start throwing 125 gram sinkers half way across! It just adds to the fun.

JasonGotaProblem

Thankfully my neighbors all know by now what the deal is. Some own rods I've built, and one will come out to watch when he sees me walking to the lake.

Back on topic though, I with my extensive experience, am starting to think that with braid there's a benefit to a wider cross wrap, for the reasons described earlier in the thread, that mono doesn't deform and therefore doesn't dig in the same, so you can wrap tightly side by side for max efficiency.

I don't need to cast super far to catch fish. But it's about refinement and efficiency. If your mix of gear and skills can only cast 50 yds on a good day, you probably can't cast accurately at 45 yds. But if you can cast 100yds on a good day, you might be able to put it in a fishbowl at 45 yds. And do so with a lot less effort.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Cor

and I thought I was the only nut case ;D

The most important requirement for good casting is experience, so this is what were all doing.
I usually go to a sport field down the road but there are often too many people around that could get injured by a 3 oz sinker.   2 miles further is an excellent spot at the ocean.

If I tape guides and reels on a blank and cast with that, I get many stares and questions.
Cornelis

Donnyboat

thanks every one, some good points there for sure, the ABEC ceramic bearings are the go, I think the ambassadeur reels about 5000 to 6000, use 4X10X4, cheers Don.
Don, or donnyboat

JasonGotaProblem

#39
I think they're 3x10x4

Edit: I may be wrong
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

UKChris1

I used to do a bit of beach fishing in the UK but my mate moved away, and he was the one who knew the where and when. Since then my shoreline catch has been pretty much zero :-\

But we did need to cast a long way to reach sand and/or mussel beds or a gulley, whatever.  100+ yards with bait still attached (somewhat important). He always outcast me - no problem. It was down to technique, skill and practice, and I lacked them  ;)

We both used rods a bit under 12 feet, 0.35mm nylon mono line, 70lb shock leaders and 125-150 gram weights, normally with grip wires that collapse on the retrieve.



Our reels were both Abu 6500 CS CT Mag Elite - the green ones, no levelwind and sturdy spacer bars - and the bearings were oiled with Rocket Fuel. We had been through plenty of others before settling on these. My rods were by Daiwa and Penn, his were various Zipplex models and a bit, sometimes a lot, stiffer than mine (but he could bend his when casting, I couldn't so I stuck with the softer rods that suited me better).

There used to be a very active tournament casting scene in the UK and distances well over 260 yards (measured and straight down court) were recorded. At that time, Abu pretty much ruled the tournaments though other makes were seen on the beach. I think the UK record cast is 308 yards! It was with a multiplier, not a fixed spool reel, and was an 'off the ground' cast rather than a pendulum swing cast. Pretty amazing...

I can only imagine the rpm of those little spool bearings at the peak and the acceleration needed to get there.



Breadfan


thorhammer

Quote from: Breadfan on November 21, 2022, 12:59:31 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on November 19, 2022, 12:37:05 PMI think they're 3x10x4

Abus take 4x10x4.

Both are correct, depending on vintage. C3/C4 models take 4x10x4. C's and I believe 5000/6000 take 3x10x4. I think Bob answered this for me a few months ago.