Daiwa BG 5000 HEAVY CORROSION- Worth Saving it was free

Started by Mrdrake2221, December 06, 2022, 05:37:59 AM

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Mrdrake2221

Title speaks for itself, how do I bring this back.  Took me 2 hours to get it all taken apart the bearing is stuck on the main gear and I had a hard time getting the main gear out as well as all the other parts.  How should I fix this,  Im a beginner. 

Gfish

Whoa dude! Proof-positive that there may have been some claim discrepancy on the main gear material.
Can you get a look at the teeth on the main gear?, i.e. is it worth trying to rehab. the whole reel or maybe just salvage what you can...?
Some kinda non-flammable  penetrating lube and heat might get the ball bearing off. I'd be tempted to soak the whole reel in———what? What would free-up, but not damage certain parts...?
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JasonGotaProblem

Did you remove the retainer spring on the main gear? Its on the non-handle side, has to be removed to budge the main gear, and is almost impossible to see unless you're looking for it.

With how corroded that main gear is, the sub $30 replacement main/pinion set might be worth considering.

Also with how corroded the innards are, my next question in determining whether to salvage, is what condition is the line roller in, and what shape is the spool lip in? If those are busted nothing you do internally matters.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Mrdrake2221

Thats most likely why i had such a hard time getting the main gear out, i didnt even see the spring it was so caked with old grease.  I have it completely broken down now i sprayed a little wd40 on most of the internal parts and let them soak overnight. 

The line roller is in good shape and the spool is in good shape near as I can tell. 

Quote from: Gfish on December 06, 2022, 02:49:34 PMWhoa dude! Proof-positive that there may have been some claim discrepancy on the main gear material.

What do you mean by claim descrepency?
Can you get a look at the teeth on the main gear?, i.e. is it worth trying to rehab. the whole reel or maybe just salvage what you can...?

Today Im going too look at what I can salvage,  i think it will clean up but I will try too take some more pictures of the other parts. 


JasonGotaProblem

Take a q-tip and rub it around the spool lip. If you see any cotton left behind then that's a sign of a scratch or chip that will not be friendly to your line in casting.

To the best of my knowledge most sources agree the main gear is zinc with a steel post. I don't know of any discrepancy there. I managed to bend my post on 2 different sized BG and that's always left a bad taste in my mouth for the reels, even though I still use them regularly.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Midway Tommy

I am going to reserve comment on whether or not the reel, even if it wasn't all corroded and mis-maintained, is worth salvaging,...... but what better place for a beginner to gain a bunch of experience cleaning up and maintaining a spinning reel.

There should be a tutorial on a similar model on this site or on YouTube. Use it to disassemble the reel. Take photos along the way so you know how to put it back together. Take all the loose metal parts and soak them in a decent solvent like lacquer thinner or acetone for a couple of days (forget the WD40), soak them in warm water Dawn, make sure they're dry and burnish them until any/all corrosion is gone and they're smooth. Work on scrubbing the body parts inside and out while the inards are soaking.

Once everything is clean put it back together. You'll learn a lot along the way. There's nothing better in the fishing reel maintenance/restoration world than in hand/on site experience.
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JasonGotaProblem

Also user beware. Dont use acetone as a degreaser on a BG. Part of the rotor doesn't appreciate it. I discovered that the hard way. No big deal.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

foakes

Quote from: Midway Tommy on December 06, 2022, 05:22:01 PMI am going to reserve comment on whether or not the reel, even if it wasn't all corroded and mis-maintained, is worth salvaging,...... but what better place for a beginner to gain a bunch of experience cleaning up and maintaining a spinning reel.

Respectfully disagree, Tommy —-

A reel with good quality materials inside and outside —- and one that hasn't been so badly abused —- is the one worth restoring and learning about in the process.

This one would just go in the trash, at least for me.

There is an apparent visible reason why the reel was free.

Sometimes, it just needs to be called out.

Yes, I have restored spinning reels worse than this —- but they were of the quality and materials that made them a worthwhile candidate when completed.  Wouldn't waste the time and energy.

A donor reel would be the answer here —-

But the problem would be...the donor reel would end up having 90% of the parts —- and this Davy Jones Daiwa would still look about the same...

Yes, anything is possible —- but is it worthwhile, practical, and economical?

Just my opinion.

Best, Fred
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Mrdrake2221

Starting too agree with foakes, however im going too clean it up the best I can d ut it back together

handi2

It's always best to remove the top section first. The anti reverse, bearing, pinion gear, etc

I wouldn't waste my time but it would be a great experience for him
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Midway Tommy

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Quote from: handi2 on December 06, 2022, 06:30:32 PMIt's always best to remove the top section first. The anti reverse, bearing, pinion gear, etc

I wouldn't waste my time but it would be a great experience for him

Exactly what I was getting at without being so blunt.  ;D

BTW, I have an empty box for one of these reels. I though about filling the box and found an unused one on daBay for $40. After taking a close look at the design and materials I decided not to waste my money. Maybe one day I'll come across one for $5 to fill it. Until then the box can just sit on the shelf in the back.  :D
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



Favorite Activity? ............... In our boat fishing
RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

Gfish

Yeah, a great learning experience! Just think, if you break something or  god forbid, can't get it back together, no biggie on a free reel. I did disassembled/reassembled mine, but I was a a bit afraid of it.

The discrepancy thing was relative to an Allen Hawk review. Apparently some Daiwa guy's at a tackle show claimed the main was machined aluminum  or something(somebody please correct me if I got this wrong) and it's actually some kinda zinc alloy. Obviously conducive to corrosion.

If you get 'er going again, best to check every now and then, to catch any rust or corrosion.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

JasonGotaProblem

I keep staring at that attempted grease dam. Didn't keep it out but may have kept it in.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Mrdrake2221

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Thanks for all the replys.  Im just going to clean it up best I can and put it back together. Soak the bearings and grease and lube everything.

 This is a good learning experience cause I have another bg 3000 so at least I know how too take it apart now.

For the price point,  I like the penn design better (fierce or battle) they seem much easier to work on,  this thing has alot of moving parts and parts in general. 

boon

Honestly, it's probably fine. The mating teeth of the gears probably had enough grease coating that they're not horrific. Give the whole thing a really good cleaning, replace the ball bearings because they'll all be shot, and it'll probably work perfectly well. $20 or so of bearings for a reasonably capable mid-size spinner, sounds good to me.


Caveat of all of this is whether the components in the spool and rotor are ok.