Help on zangi delfino. Rotor removal

Started by Fishgolfman, December 18, 2022, 02:07:58 PM

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alantani

i'm glad that you guys knew.  i had no idea!
send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

Midway Tommy

You just need to be patient and persistent and use the right tools for each process. Once you get the brass screw out of the plunger the plunger and spring will slide right out, but be careful not to lose or break that little screw or you'll be up poop creek without a paddle. Use the right size screwdriver and work it back and forth until it breaks loose. You'll probably have to make a tool with a split in the center to remove the off side bail nut. I made one a long time ago out of a cheap screw driver. I flattened the first inch and a half on an anvil (tapered) and filed a slot up the middle about a half inch or so and touched up the tip so it had no taper. I use it a lot on those types of nuts, they're usually not very tight.

Making tools when working on old reels is common practice, especially on European made reels. I had to make one yesterday to remove a rotor nut on a Cargem 23 Lancer (more on that in an upcoming tutorial).

Good luck, it's all doable.
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



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RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

Fishgolfman

Both you and Fred have the best advice! Many thanks.

Fishgolfman

Will have to soak the plunger in rotor with liquid wrench. Screw is out but still won't budge even with gentle nudging!

Fishgolfman

The plunger still will not move after brass screw removal. I will have to soak for a long period of time with liquid wrench. I have tried gentle nudging of plunger from back and front. At least i know it is just held by spring and plunger and gunk.

Midway Tommy

If you have something like a 90 degree dental pick (or make something out of a paper clip) and try to push it out from the back side.

I doubt that liquid wrench will do what you need, it's more than likely dried grease, not rust. Try warming it up with a hair dryer to soften the grease and pushing it from the back side. You might also try standing it on edge with the outside plunger hole down and putting a very little solvent (mineral spirits, naphtha,lighter fluid, etc.) in the upper hole & let it soak down to soften the grease. Make sure it's up off your platform so the solvent drips away.
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



Favorite Activity? ............... In our boat fishing
RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

Fishgolfman

I have xylene which is a degreaser. Have the rotor area soaking then the other side where the hole is.will keep at it!!
 A simple project gone awry! Made a new tool and making a forked screw driver.  I certainly appreciate the Zangi reels. Can't wait to get more of them!!

Fishgolfman

The xylene may have helped overnight! Still it was immovable! So i dug out the heat gun and voila it freed up. Great suggestion by Tommy. Also enclosed are the pictures of rotor and plunger system, note that the spring is still in rotor.. if ain't broke don't try to fix. The plunger works great after 4/0 steel wool buffing. Now to finish it off , then the next delfino that has bail problem as well but untouched , to have a "visual schematic".

Fishgolfman

Oops. Pictures. Note plunger extends into rotor center. It was not obvious from prior pictures. Spring is stuck but functional!!F44B4D7B-A0BB-4320-8480-59787011DD43.jpeg4C54E053-822F-4F0F-86A7-3C4388149337.jpegD61B4ED2-6F90-48A8-A35A-8E0C19B78DD9.jpeg   

Midway Tommy

Glad you got it out, but you really should remove that spring and clean it and the tube up or you'll have a similar issue down the line. Try to find something the same size as the hole and work that spring back and forth until it breaks loose. Add some more solvent if you need to. You worked hard to get to this point so don't quit halfway through. That thing looks like it had a pretty tough life with a negligent owner or two. Those are well made reels so, unless you have a broken and unreplaceable part you should be able to bring it back to full life. Take it through the entire restoration process and you'll end up being one proud guy.  ;) 
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



Favorite Activity? ............... In our boat fishing
RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

foakes

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Quote from: Midway Tommy on January 03, 2023, 05:15:43 PMGlad you got it out, but you really should remove that spring and clean it and the tube up or you'll have a similar issue down the line. Try to find something the same size as the hole and work that spring back and forth until it breaks loose. Add some more solvent if you need to. You worked hard to get to this point so don't quit halfway through. That thing looks like it had a pretty tough life with a negligent owner or two. Those are well made reels so, unless you have a broken and unreplaceable part you should be able to bring it back to full life. Take it through the entire restoration process and you'll end up being one proud guy.  ;) 

Yes!

Best, Fred
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Gfish

Good job!
What kind of a pinion turns the rotor?
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

Midway Tommy

Quote from: Gfish on January 03, 2023, 06:05:22 PMGood job!
What kind of a pinion turns the rotor?

Steel pinion with a brass main gear, Greg. You can see what all the parts look like in the tutorial
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



Favorite Activity? ............... In our boat fishing
RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

Fishgolfman

Agree with you both. I made a pick to extract the spring. It feels great spinning without lubricant.. the gears are unbelievable!!

Fishgolfman

At the insistence of two reel masters. Fred and Tommy the Zangi rotor plunger spring was retrieved using a modified fishing hook. This Delfino reel was a real learning experience and the marvel of old type engineering and manufacturing.