Is It Possible To Replace A Guide Insert Rather Than An Entire Guide?

Started by Walleye Guy, March 08, 2023, 08:11:49 PM

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pointbob

honestly if it was an insert somewhere in the middle of the rod i would not bother since the other guides will carry the load. only exception would be the tip. and that's easy peazy.
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MarkT

It's the tip? As other said, it's easy to replace the tip guide... heat it up to soften the glue, pull it off, apply some hot glue and slide the new guide in place, then go fishing!
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Walleye Guy

MarkT, there are two rods...one needs a tip-top and the other needs a single-foot guide next to the tip-top.

Update: I removed both guides over the weekend.  I heated the Lightning Rod tip-top with a lighter and it slid off without much trouble but I burned some of the coating (epoxy?) in the process.  When I worked on the Abu Garcia rod, I used my wife's hair dryer so I wouldn't burn anything.  That worked but it just took longer to melt the glue enough that the guide would slide out.  I hope the "tunnel" is still there for when I install the new one.  Now I have to source replacements.

Hamachi

A lot of good information and suggestions here. There aren't any local tackle shops you can call to see if they have the parts? Sometimes even wallymart has tiptops with hot melt glue, but they are downsizing their fishing tackle areas. Always take a quick browse whenever I stop there.
Size and fitment is more important than color or material, but that matters to some people. Whole guide kits available online.
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Walleye Guy

I called Get Bit Outdoors on Friday but their voicemail box was full so I sent them an email.  If I don't hear back soon then I'll try Mudhole or the Rod Room.  I'm not aware of any local tackle shops in this area.  Unfortunately a few older shops closed over the last few years...I think a result of the covid shut-downs.

Midway Tommy

I usually get my stuff at Mud Hole or Jann's Netcraft. They both have good selections to choose from and prices are reasonable, especially considering the time spent and what it costs to drive somewhere these days.
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

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RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

ourford

Quote from: Gfish on March 09, 2023, 02:34:10 PMThe hardest thing for me is removing the old thread without cutting/scraping-up the rod. Best way to do this is unknown to me...


G, I find it easiest to cut the windings with a flat razor blade. Hold the blade horizontally and shave the windings off above the guide foot. That way you never touch the blank. After you remove the guide, you can usually just pull the windings off with your thumbnail.
Vic

Walleye Guy

I made contact with a guy over at Get Bit Outdoors and sent him the guide info.  Hopefully he can get me set up.  I'll report back...

JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: ourford on March 13, 2023, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: Gfish on March 09, 2023, 02:34:10 PMThe hardest thing for me is removing the old thread without cutting/scraping-up the rod. Best way to do this is unknown to me...


G, I find it easiest to cut the windings with a flat razor blade. Hold the blade horizontally and shave the windings off above the guide foot. That way you never touch the blank. After you remove the guide, you can usually just pull the windings off with your thumbnail.
I use a sharp knife (whatever I have on hand) and always start my cut on the bottom of the guide foot (or top ignite the upper portion of a double footer) and always cut toward the guide. That way the guide always stands between the blade and the blank. Sometimes the guide flies across the room, but thats cool too.
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Walleye Guy

I received the parts from Get Bit and installed the tip-top on my Lightning Rod but unfortunately the "tunnel" on the Garcia Vengeance rod didn't survive the reinstallation procedure.  How does one reinstall a single foot guide when the tunnel (not sure of correct term) is destroyed?  I don't know the correct term for the material that retained the guide.  Is it epoxy?  It's not thread but looks more like heat shrink tubing that I use when doing electrical repairs.  See picture below. Also, my wife found a local rod repair guy on Facebook so I do have the option of bringing it to him.

Swami805

Looks like epoxy coat thread to me but the picture is a little blurry
Do what you can with that you have where you are

thorhammer

It's the old thread. Clean it off. Run the guide foot lightly across top of your tip glue stick to position it on the rod where you want it. It won't be straight. That's expected; you just want it in place while you wrap. Take two small carboard boxes and cut V's on two opposing sides to make a rod cradle. You can use black upholstery thread from walmart to wrap if you don't have any rod thread. Position the rod and start the thread below the guide foot- tie onto rod with am over hand knot with two wraps so you can snug it down. Wrap towards the guide, over the tag end several wrap, snug tag end, snip off tag. Continue to wind toward guide. At about 3/16" from the guide leg, place your whip pull thread. Finished wrap to the legs, cut, and pull thru with whip loop. Hold tag end perpendicular to rod and trim as snug as possible with razor blade or sharp scissors. Coat with a few coats of clear nail polish if using upholstery thread to seal it. You can at this point apply five minute epoxy and hand turn until it sets, use clear gorilla glue and turn every so often, apply a few more coats of nail lacquer, or use any varnish or poly you have around. All work, and you're unlikely to lose any performance on a light lightning rod with any of these measures.

You COULD just take it to the guy- but odds are you're gonna need to do it again so may as well learn. 

Midway Tommy

What Thor said. Also, there are plenty of YouTube videos to show you how to start the wraps with the tag end and how to end the wrap at the guide. Light mono or light braid works really well for your thread pulling loop.
Love those open face spinning reels! (Especially ABU & ABU/Zebco Cardinals)

Tommy D (ORCA), NE



Favorite Activity? ............... In our boat fishing
RELAXING w/ MY BEST FRIEND (My wife Bonnie)

Walleye Guy

Thank-you everyone for that advice.  I'd really like to try the repair myself but lack of free time is the story of my life right now.   :-[   Let me ponder that...I just have to have it finished before my Canada trip in June so it's not urgent (yet).  I'll keep you posted on what I do.