Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Quote from: oldmanjoe on June 17, 2026, 08:31:24 PM  I am not saying this to be mean ,or defending A I , but I have learned a lot about the history of these company `s and marketing . And who bought and sold many times over .

I also have gained knowledge with AI, and more importantly —- it helps me find a direction for further research and refinement of a particular question or subject.

To me, sort of like a compass —- it gives a direction to start a journey or a trek.

But even a compass is not always accurate —- and needs an adjustment.

For instance, when I am plotting a flight plan to file with ATC (Air Traffic Control) —- depending on where my flight is originating from —- there is always an adjustment between True North to Magnetic North —- generally 12° to 13° —- depending on the initial starting point.

Same with AI —- I automatically assume it could be off 10% to 50% in most cases.  So I delve deeper to find exactly what I am looking for.  But it saved me a lot of time, and pointed me in a right direction.

AI is not intelligence — it is merely a tool, like a computer, tablet, iPhone, etc..

I have been using Duck-Duck-Go AI —- it doesn't track or hijack your personal questions or information.

Works for me...

Best Regards, Fred

I learned from this thread that avet was started by Armenians and that
1. Makes me want one a bit more (I'm half Armenian)
And
2. Helps me understand their reputation for being slow with parts.

Quote from: oldmanjoe on June 17, 2026, 08:31:24 PM  I am not saying this to be mean ,or defending A I , but I have learned a lot about the history of these company `s and marketing . And who bought and sold many times over .

The trouble is that clearly at least some of the information is complete and utter hogwash; the invention of a statistical model doing its best to provide comprehensible output without any actual "knowledge" underneath it.
If we hold as true that some of the information is useless, how can we trust any of the rest of it? There will be parts that we already know and can thereby confirm are true, but then we aren't learning anything new. Anything else can't be trusted unless we go and personally confirm it with sources we trust, at which point what was the use of the AI output in the first place?

AI is incredibly useful and powerful, like in coding where it either produces code that works and does what you wanted it to, or it does not, and it is very easy to tell whether it did it correctly or not. Or to use it as a seed for independent research, per Fred. If you can't evaluate whether the output of an AI is correct or not it is worse than useless, because it will confidently state things that are total fabrications, and lead you to believe something completely untrue.

Because a lot of people don't understand this, I genuinely believe that the widespread availability of AI is making people stupider.

I asked A eye about the history of Penn reels, and at one point it showed a picture of a black penn 6/0 that was fished in the 1940's &50's by a famous Australian lady, and now the reel resides in a museum. First thing I noticed is that black 6/0 has stamped part numbers, and A eye comfirmed that penn started stamping part numbers on their parts in early 1950's. This is a no brainer for any Penn enthusiast, to know that particular 6/0 wasnt made in the 1940's, but A eye isnt smart enough to pick up on that, and the museum that has the reel also doesn't realize that cant be the reel that lady fished with in the 1940's

"Ignorance is bliss". Especially when it tells me what I wanna hear, or confirms what I already thought was right.

 A little threadjack but it may help . A little reading and a video .
 
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/type-of-thinking

Quote from: boon on June 17, 2026, 11:46:43 PM

Quote from: oldmanjoe on June 17, 2026, 08:31:24 PM  I am not saying this to be mean ,or defending A I , but I have learned a lot about the history of these company `s and marketing . And who bought and sold many times over .

The trouble is that clearly at least some of the information is complete and utter hogwash; the invention of a statistical model doing its best to provide comprehensible output without any actual "knowledge" underneath it.
If we hold as true that some of the information is useless, how can we trust any of the rest of it? There will be parts that we already know and can thereby confirm are true, but then we aren't learning anything new. Anything else can't be trusted unless we go and personally confirm it with sources we trust, at which point what was the use of the AI output in the first place?

AI is incredibly useful and powerful, like in coding where it either produces code that works and does what you wanted it to, or it does not, and it is very easy to tell whether it did it correctly or not. Or to use it as a seed for independent research, per Fred. If you can't evaluate whether the output of an AI is correct or not it is worse than useless, because it will confidently state things that are total fabrications, and lead you to believe something completely untrue.

Because a lot of people don't understand this, I genuinely believe that the widespread availability of AI is making people stupider.

Oooh.  A topic that I have some experience with! Coding is a great example of how AI is a mixed bag of blessings and curses.  Here is the TLDR version.  I have a longer one for folks that care.  Let me know.

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AI can crank out simple code.  It requires a well defined problem. It usually fails, often  spectacularly, when assigned to fix or modify code within the larger network of interconnected software platforms that the world economy runs on.

AI is replacing humans on the lower rungs of software work, which is removing the training ground for the higher rungs where AI is incompetent because this work involves more abstract and value-based thinking, which is ill-suited for a probability based imitation of a neural network.

 So we are building an increasingly complex, ever-weakening software ecosystem, with the hope that AI will evolve to save itself from itself before the software that the world runs on collapses like a house of cards. 

The folk in charge of developing and exploiting these AI models are rewarded for risk taking and short term profitability.   What could possibly go wrong? /s

-J

 Yesterday while working at my work table with the big screen TV on the YOUtube channel , I was listing to this .      The story of Rapala . A very very interesting history in general .


   I was curious ,so I the question .  Is legacy fishing Frank Generatored .

No, the Legacy Fishing Frank YouTube Channel itself is not AI-generated, but it does heavily feature AI technology.The channel is run by a real, human creator who documents his genuine fly fishing trips, tests physical vintage gear, and builds actual software projects.However, the reason AI comes up in relation to the channel is due to how he operates:The Web App Project: The creator built an companion AI-assisted application called legacyfishingfrank.lovable.app to host historical rod logs, data, and community tools.Data Analysis: Like many modern angling channels, he actively experiments with using tools like Claude AI to analyze years of his personal fishing logs to spot trends in water temperature, moon phases, and rod performance.Narration Style: Because the channel heavily relies on clean voiceovers, text overlays, and historical photo montages rather than a constant "facecam," some viewers occasionally mistake his highly polished production style for automated content farm videos.Rest assured, the actual fishing, vintage gear curation, and rod restorations are entirely human-driven.

I received a different and opposite reply from Gemini -- Yes, absolutely. The videos uploaded by the channel "Legacy Fishing Frank" are textbook examples of AI-automated, "faceless" channel content.

Here was my prompt: Are the videos uploaded by "Legacy Fishing Frank" to youtube built with AI tools and narrated by AI voices?

Let me also state, that when I use the same prompt with a different LLM model (ChatGPT5-mini), the results are different: "I can't confirm that for sure from available public info. I found examples of AI voice services (voice clones and character voices) that creators commonly use, but no direct, verifiable statement or forensic analysis tying Legacy Fishing Frank's videos to AI narration."
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I would like to thank Joe again for being open minded on this topic.

Humans  pretending to possess fishing expertise in order to make a buck off of sport fishermen have been around forever.  But now they can use AI to help infiltrate legitimate sites like this one.  It devalues all the highly useful REAL content that you and many others have generously spent countless hours generating in order to share with this community and the world at large. 

This is post number 2776 for me.  I have done my best to share with accuracy what I have  learned along the way in my fishing journey, and am grateful for all the others here that have done likewise. This is the foundation of our community. AI generated content is corrosive to this foundation.  I lose a chunk of my incentive to post here with every piece of AI generated content that gets posted.

I understand that others might disagree, but I feel strongly enough to state this clearly:

I think that we all have a responsibility to do our best to not repost what could be AI content.  I would also like to see an AI generated content ban on this site.

-J

Quote from: jurelometer on Today at 05:03:51 PMI think that we all have a responsibility to do our best to not repost what could be AI content.  I would also like to see an AI generated content ban on this site.

-J

You have my vote.

Quite a conundrum we now have! I'm not a fan of censorship, but I'm also very skeptical of, and anti, AI.

I kind of look at it similar to the "buyer beware" philosophy. One has to be knowledgeable enough to be able to differentiate between fact and BS, and if a person doesn't know or can't tell then that is their problem. Just the suspicion of AI inclusion in a subject should raise red flags!

Quote from: oldmanjoe on Today at 03:00:27 PMthe actual fishing, vintage gear curation, and rod restorations are entirely human-driven.

This is not accurate at all, there are no videos on these subjects on that channel, only complete AI slop, and the link to the app is merely AI grift preying on the naive, based on the supposed writings of a fictional character (Frank Yoder).

I have no idea why you have decided to double down on these poorly done vids and support this AI infection on what I consider one of the best forums on the web.

I propose this thread be deleted forever and an AI ban instituted permanently on AT.com

Quote from: Midway Tommy on Today at 06:32:24 PMQuite a conundrum we now have! I'm not a fan of censorship, but I'm also very skeptical of, and anti, AI.

I don't view content moderation as censorship unless folk are not free to go elsewhere and make their own site with their own rules. You don't get to say everything that you feel like saying without consequences just about anywhere where you are a guest, whether that is your local fishing club, fast food joint, workplace or church.

Having said that, I do agree that being heavy handed or excessive about site rules is not the friendliest way to run a web community either.  There has to be a balance.

I think that AI content crosses the line  because the people who generate the AI tools, and the people who use them are often not working in good faith.  The goal is not always, but far too frequently,  to exploit us.  And exploitation is corrosive to any community. At this point in time, the benefit of AI content is overwhelmed by the downside.

-J

Recently I did an AI search just for sharts & giggles on a subject matter.I was not surprised how obvious the narrative was.

Apparently some words are not as bad as others based on history,that is all I can share except I thought it
Was a BS answer.

IMO there has to be some human input & chosen algorithms of what AI wants to be believed. Case in point,TV commercialism have you noticed what is getting crammed down our throats regardless of what
You believe it's what they want you to believe.