alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial second generation penn gear sleeves (updated february 2015)
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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2015, 12:14:32 AM »

Very Ingenious Bryan! You knocked this one out of the park Buddy!
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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2015, 12:20:24 AM »

I'm thinking of putting a Delrin Washer on the SS Washer Not CF.

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2015, 12:39:11 AM »

The purpose of cutting the flats all the way down is so that we and add another drag surface into the drag stack as once done by the great Carl Newell.  Therefor, instead of having a 5 stack drag system, you would now have a true 6 stack drag system. 
Carl was a genius, but I don't believe he did too good on that one, he probably would have changed it if he was still with us.
The washer under the gear should act as a bearing and not as an additional drag.
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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2015, 01:47:08 AM »

In the laws of physics, what does it matter is you create a drag surface above or below the gear?
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2015, 02:51:34 AM »

First off, I'm not knocking your gear sleeve, I'm simply comparing a carbon fiber washer for under the gear with an Acetal washer. I have my personal tests and I'm definitely sure that the Acetal washer makes the reel much smoother without loosing drag numbers.
In the laws of physics, what does it matter is you create a drag surface above or below the gear?
It matters very much.
The carbon fiber washer when used under the gear interferes with the gear from doing its job on spinning as smooth as possible, weather under stress or not.
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2015, 05:05:54 AM »

I'm gonna try to be the peacemaker and say that both systems have there applications. Personally I'm glad we have the choice.
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2015, 03:08:29 PM »

What about an Acetal/Delrin top washer for smoothness and the keyed/carbon fiber under gear washer as a "COMBO"?

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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2015, 03:26:10 PM »

What about an Acetal/Delrin top washer for smoothness and the keyed/carbon fiber under gear washer as a "COMBO"?

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I have to say this, Im not sure the acetal washer ON TOP has much effect on smoothness.
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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2015, 03:29:28 PM »

I have to say this, Im not sure the acetal washer ON TOP has much effect on smoothness.

What I see is the star turns easier.
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2015, 10:46:20 PM »


I have to say this, Im not sure the acetal washer ON TOP has much effect on smoothness.
I am. From my tests I noticed that the Acetal on top has just as much effect as the one at the bottom.
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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2015, 12:49:09 AM »

I have an original P322 4 stack with Bryan's 5 stack added to it and it is smooth as silk and I refuse to tamper with it. BUT on my 540 3.2 and my 631 3 workhorses I put the delrin under the gear and they got smoother and I did not lose any drag strength. I put Delrin on the top of the stack in my Conflict 8000 and it got smoother and that reel did some serious screaming on king macs in January. I will do more delrin when I get time to tinker. I am a believer in Delrin and thanks to Sal for sending me a sample to tinker with and I bought more and have shared with others. Will it work on your reel? I don't know but it works for me.
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2015, 03:45:32 PM »

i had the idea of the 'full length flats' on the gear sleeve in my head for a while. glad to see they are now available for something. i have a couple well used brass gear sleeves for jigmaster that i think i want to take a stab at cutting the flats all the way down to the end. i have a drill press, some carbide bits and moveable vise to basically make it work like a mill. i think i will practice on my old haggered brass, and if it goes well enough, and ive had a few beers, ill try it on the SS sleeve.

i have a feeling i will run into an issue with the overall height of the stack contacting the side plate. if i remove the wavy washer from the top of the stack do you think it will fit? or will i need to remove material from the inside of the right side plate?
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« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2015, 05:40:47 AM »

if you want some of the super thin metal and carbon fiber washers to play with, let me know. 
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM »


next up is the 4/0 gen II gear sleeve kit.   this fits the penn senator 113h and the 320 and 330 gt series reels, as well as some of the progears.  it's $25 for the gen II gear sleeve, plus $7 for the washer/dog kit, and $3 for domestic shipping.


would this upgrades be too much (or not needed) for a 320gti ?
do you guys think I can get a bit more drags and more important that more drag will be able to be used on the graphite body

or the 320gt is just good enough with new set of Ht-100 drags with cals grease?

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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2015, 03:27:51 AM »


next up is the 4/0 gen II gear sleeve kit.   this fits the penn senator 113h and the 320 and 330 gt series reels, as well as some of the progears.  it's $25 for the gen II gear sleeve, plus $7 for the washer/dog kit, and $3 for domestic shipping.


would this upgrades be too much (or not needed) for a 320gti ?
do you guys think I can get a bit more drags and more important that more drag will be able to be used on the graphite body

or the 320gt is just good enough with new set of Ht-100 drags with cals grease?



honestly, not needed.  i'd put a carbontex drag under the main gear, grease all the washers with cal's grease and call it done. quick and simple. 
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