Airex Reels Bache Brown Master Reel Model 4

[Schrack]

Was given reel has missing bail spring.
Would like any info on how to replace and purchase.
I have a spinner maker can make one if it is .020 to .026 spring wire.
Need to know how to bend it.
Reel was made by Lionel in 40's and 50's.
I restore Mitchell's and know my way around basic to complicated repairs.
Retired Aircraft Mechanic 40 plus years.
Thank you for your time and trouble.

[alantani]

maybe fred.  he'll be along shortly.  if not him, i have no ideal......   

[foakes]

Post a couple of photos of the reel, Schrack —

If I don't have the loose spring — I could take one out of a old Bache-Brown slated for a reel lamp base.

Glad to help, if possible.

Best,

Fred

[Wompus Cat]

I TINK those had Full Bails and Half Bails .
Which do you have ?

[Schrack]

Full bail, guess these things are hard to find.

[Schrack]

Goals, yeah that would be super.
I don' t have the foggyist how to do any thing with this reel.
Kinda looks like spool comes off, cover with one screw comes off and spring goes inside housing and overhaul.
This is becoming a quest!

[Gfish]

Here's some photos of a 3, for reference? I posted a bit on this one years ago, cause I was impressed with all the metal in this reel.

[Gfish]

Don't recall taking the bail apart, though. A full bail model's godda be different. Midway Tommy seemed to know some details about them. One thing I found-out was that the rotor is rivited on permanently at the propeller - looking part(bail trip mechanisim).

[Schrack]

Looks simple, From looking the spring is held in by the screw, looks like one loop, size is small like .022 have lots of that.
Thank you this helps, once I take mine apart along with these photos just might be able to make one.
Not as easy as Mitchell's.
Might be putting some of them up for sale in the future.

[Schrack]

How did you take it apart?
Handle unscrews?
Spool comes off after you take knob off?
Remove side cover, then how is brass square held on?
What is the little pin beside it.
I haven't touched mine yet.
If you have dis assembly instructions.
Just don't want to break any thing that is simple by doing it wrong.
Thanks Again, Ron Schrack

[Midway Tommy]

Never worked on a Model 4, but other than the full bail it shouldn't be a whole lot different than a Model 3. Start disassembly & post some photos & we can lead you through the process. You do need a special tool, which very few people nowadays have, to remove the rotor and pinion gear & tube. You'll have to just thoroughly clean and air dry that area & then lube it.   

[Schrack]

Roger Dat on special tool.
What can you use?
Pliers do not work, can't get a hold and this part has to come out to get to bail spring.
The pin is screwed into shaft. Would assume Left To loosen.
Also the spring on reverse is not working.
Got frustrated so put back together.
Any info will help, actually not complicated at all.
Just has its quarks!
Tomorrow is another day.

[Gfish]

Sorry Schrack. It was so long ago I don't remember and the reel's about 3000 miles away on the mainland. I left the rotor assembly intact, but can only tell from the pictures I saved. One thing I disliked was the plastic spool bushing---mine was cracked. Liked the big main gear though. The pinion is kinda large and the gear ratio is still less than 4:1. Can you do pictures?

[Midway Tommy]

Roger Dat on special tool.
What can you use?
Pliers do not work, can't get a hold and this part has to come out to get to bail spring.
The pin is screwed into shaft. Would assume Left To loosen.
Also the spring on reverse is not working.
Got frustrated so put back together.
Any info will help, actually not complicated at all.
Just has its quarks!
Tomorrow is another day.

Without that special tool, made solely for the service techs, you can't get the rotor off, so forget about that part of disassembly or you'll ruin the reel.

[Donnyboat]

Hi Schrack, as you go, take digital photos, step by step, you should be good, we have our money on you, sure you can do it, good luck man, cheers Don.