Penn senator gear grind

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oldmanjoe

#15
September 18, 2024, 02:32:16 PM
   OK   This caught my eye , the screws in the bridge plate are usually flush .  Were as the screw that is holding the ratchet is not flush in your picture .   The 2 screws with the smooth sides are in the holes with the yoke springs correct .   Can /are you loading the drags from the front of the side plate ?
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alantani

#16
September 18, 2024, 02:43:56 PM
bad gears?  but they weren't like this before, right?  sort of at a loss for ideas, here.   :-\
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Gfish

#17
September 18, 2024, 02:45:56 PM
Grinds in free-spool, too? This is getting interesting...

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Brewcrafter

#18
September 18, 2024, 02:50:00 PM
I'm going to ask a silly question and its probably my fault for missing something in an earlier post.  But are you fully reassembling the reel each time and testing it, or just reassembling the side plate?  Reason I ask is without having the spool and shaft engaged, the pinion gear will float and that could be the grinding. - john

JasonGotaProblem

#19
September 18, 2024, 02:51:30 PM
If it grinds in freespool it isn't the gears. The spool is rubbing something. Joe pointed out the screws. Does the spool have any signs of scratches?

If you put the reel in freespool and then turn the handle does the spool turn? If not, it's definitely not the gears.

Try assembling the reel without the bridge plate or gears. Does it still grind? If so it's the spool rubbing the housing. If no grind, install the bridge plate but no gears. See if it's grinding.

But I'm still looking suspiciously at those protruding screws.
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oldmanjoe

#20
September 18, 2024, 03:18:10 PM Last Edit: September 18, 2024, 03:23:23 PM by oldmanjoe
The last two pictures are my side plate , to avoid confusion .    Yes it can be frustrating at times, we all have reassemble a reel a dozen times to get it right .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking .   There are too many people who think that the only thing that!s right is to get by,and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught .
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
" Life " It`s a thinking man`s game
" I cannot teach anybody anything   I can only make them think "     - Socrates-
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

scrinch

#21
September 18, 2024, 05:32:20 PM Last Edit: September 18, 2024, 05:35:50 PM by scrinch
Not an expert by any means, but...
The screws that don't full penetrate the bridge plate suggest that the bridge is not seated flat, and therefore the post and main gear (which are perpendicular to the plate) are not aligned properly in the hole in the side plate. This could be causing the rubbing. Like Alan said, it looks like the main gear is sitting higher than usual above the bridge plate. Could there be an old fiber washer stuck to the bottom of the main gear in addition to the one you installed? A "high" main gear could prevent the bridge plate from getting pulled into place properly by the bridge plate screws.

foakes

#22
September 18, 2024, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: scrinch on September 18, 2024, 05:32:20 PMNot an expert by any means, but...
The screws that don't full penetrate the bridge plate suggest that the bridge is not seated flat, and therefore the post and main gear (which are perpendicular to the plate) are not aligned properly in the hole in the side plate. This could be causing the rubbing. Like Alan said, it looks like the main gear is sitting higher than usual above the bridge plate. Could there be an old fiber washer stuck to the bottom of the main gear in addition to the one you installed? A "high" main gear could prevent the bridge plate from getting pulled into place properly by the bridge plate screws.

Rich is exactly right.  Could be the culprit, or part of it.

The big clue to solving this —- since it worked OK before the tear down — it has to do with the reassembly.

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Bruhhh

#23
September 18, 2024, 09:55:22 PM
The bridge plate screws can't get any tighter than what I've torque them with and the two screws that arnt threaded all the way are in the holes with the spring. I'll send a picture of the spool. Yes the spool is acting like it's wants to move in free spool when I crank. It acts almost like it catching something. The only thing I've changed about this reel is the fiber washer under the main gear and new drag washers, drag washers isn't the issue but maybe the fiber washer under the main gear is a little bigger than the stock one? But I'll try and see if I can get those screws flush and see what happens.

Bruhhh

#24
September 18, 2024, 09:59:33 PM
I don't see any noticeable scratches in the spool

Bruhhh

#25
September 18, 2024, 10:28:42 PM
I also tried puting it together with just the side plate only and then with the bridge plate installed and no grinding sounds the spool freely spins. I'm going to see if I can't get those screws flush

oldmanjoe

#26
September 18, 2024, 10:44:21 PM
Take pictures as you go along , we like pictures . Just do not force anything .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking .   There are too many people who think that the only thing that!s right is to get by,and the only thing that's wrong is to get caught .
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
" Life " It`s a thinking man`s game
" I cannot teach anybody anything   I can only make them think "     - Socrates-
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Bruhhh

#27
September 20, 2024, 06:40:45 PM
I plan on reassembling and trying again this weekend I got busy

Bruhhh

#28
September 23, 2024, 01:50:42 AM
Put it back together still getting sound the reel wins might have to just take it some one

Bruhhh

#29
September 23, 2024, 01:53:24 AM
The only thing that seems weird is the opinion gear has playin it when I touch it is that normal?
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