Talica 8II dog washer problem

retiredandfishing · April 01, 2025, 10:11:50 PM

I have some Talica 8 II reels in the shop. 2 spd. Has a double dog set up for the anti reverse. One is a normal friction type dog seen on many reels. The other is a spring wire type dog that is actuated by movement of the pinion gear backwards and forwards. Under the bolt that holds that dog in place is a washer. That washer is supposed to sit in a very tiny lip up on the bolt on the underside of the dog as it protrudes through. If you don't get that washer up on that lip it inhibits the movement of the dog which won't permit it to actuate. It binds it up. I can see I'm not going to be able to line that up no matter how hard I try unless there is some trick to it.

Wondering if anyone else has had this problem. If I remove the washer the dog works fine but there is a very small gap left and you can see slight movement of the dog up and down because of this. Perhaps I can just leave that washer out? I suppose I could just hone the washer out to a larger inside diameter so that it is easier to fit the bolt through it without binding. Just wondering if anyone else might have a good fix for this.

Thanks, Steve

alantani · April 02, 2025, 04:48:00 AM

steve, i worked on these before but did not have a problem. would a photo or two be possible?

MACflyer · April 02, 2025, 12:57:17 PM

Steve maybe the washers got reversed. They are different sizes. Pawl pins are different sizes too. Check the schematic. Shimano 2 speeds can be challenging.

Keta · April 02, 2025, 02:27:33 PM

Try putting some grease on the washer to hold it in place.

retiredandfishing · April 02, 2025, 03:07:49 PM

Quote from: alantani on April 02, 2025, 04:48:00 AMsteve, i worked on these before but did not have a problem. would a photo or two be possible?

Will do. Thanks

retiredandfishing · April 02, 2025, 03:26:30 PM

Quote from: alantani on April 02, 2025, 04:48:00 AMsteve, i worked on these before but did not have a problem. would a photo or two be possible?

Thanks you can see where I malformed the washer by catching the edge on the lip of the bolt that protrudes a small ways out from the dog underneath it. Misaligned when I tightened the bolt down.

retiredandfishing · April 02, 2025, 03:28:51 PM

Quote from: MACflyer on April 02, 2025, 12:57:17 PMSteve maybe the washers got reversed. They are different sizes. Pawl pins are different sizes too. Check the schematic. Shimano 2 speeds can be challenging.

Good point but I did not have the two pawl off at the same time. I may have warped the washer so that it sticks up and contacts the dog and prevents it from moving.

Thanks, Steve

retiredandfishing · April 02, 2025, 03:30:19 PM

Quote from: Keta on April 02, 2025, 02:27:33 PMTry putting some grease on the washer to hold it in place.

Tried that but the lip which the washer fits over is a tight fit. If I didn't warp the washer to badly I'm thinking I may be able to hone it out so it can allow the bolt to go through.

MACflyer · April 02, 2025, 05:54:23 PM

The schematic shows the washers on top of the dogs unless I'm looking at it backwards?

retiredandfishing · April 02, 2025, 10:28:17 PM

Thanks. Wish it was that way. On the schematic on the Shimano website the parts go in order

Key 1499 (bolt) (on top) - Key 1498 dog - Key 1497 washer. I honed a washer out and I got it to work, only took me about half and hour of work. LOL

Thanks, Steve

MACflyer · April 02, 2025, 11:27:59 PM

Glad you got it fixed Steve.

retiredandfishing · April 03, 2025, 12:53:19 AM

Quote from: MACflyer on April 02, 2025, 11:27:59 PMGlad you got it fixed Steve.

Well got one fixed I have 5 more in the shop to do and I don't want to remove that dog on another one until I find a less labor intensive way to fix it. I looked at a Talica 12 and they have two friction type dogs so easy to work on.

retiredandfishing · April 03, 2025, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: alantani on April 02, 2025, 04:48:00 AMsteve, i worked on these before but did not have a problem. would a photo or two be possible?

Alan, I spoke with a Shimano tech about my problem. He was not able to help me. We looked at the schematic and I believe he understood the problem but had not run into many size 8 two speeds and couldn't remember working on one and had none in the shop. We did figure out the washer is probably just to insulate two dissimilar metals so as it arrest any corrosion problems. We spoke about just not putting the washer back in and he did not see a problem with that as long as I got the bolt back in tight, the lip of the bolt will allow it to snug down and still allow the dog to work properly. But the dog will have some slight lateral movement due to the gap created with no washer in place.

I tried this and it seems to work fine so I may try this. The only other way we saw to align the washer was to hone it out. Which I did on one reel but even then it took a very long time to get it aligned. I may end up really honing a lot out of that washer on the next one I do and see if that will work. It should still help separate the metal and provide a snug fit if I can get it right and if I ruin the washer they are cheap to replace.

In any case no matter which way I go I'll post the results here.

Thanks, Steve

alantani · April 03, 2025, 06:42:03 PM

i'd leave the washer out. metal to metal should not be a problem if properly lubed.

retiredandfishing · April 03, 2025, 09:00:17 PM

Thanks Alan, I think that's what I'm going to do. I tried honing another washer out and ended up spending a lot of time trying to position it, and I failed. Just not a good design. I'm going to put Yamaha grease all over the dog, this should help with any vibration resulting from the gap between the bolt and the dog.