First time making a carbontex drag washer

[Decker]

I'm trying to put a 5-stack together for a Daiwa Sealine 50H(300H) which should result in about 28lbs of drag.  In order to make the math work, I'm looking at using .6mm Carbontex.

Questions:

• Will .6mm material be heavy enough to work with that level of pressure? 
• I don't have punches.  Can I cut out the washers with scissors?

Thanks, guys!

[steelfish]

I'm trying to put a 5-stack together for a Daiwa Sealine 50H(300H) which should result in about 28lbs of drag.  In order to make the drag stack math work, I'm looking at using .6mm Carbontex.

Questions:

• Will .6mm material be heavy enough to work with that level of pressure? 
• I don't have punches.  Can I cut out the washers with scissors?

Thanks, guys!

Im not an expert on Drag washers capabilities but I do recall from old threads something about 0.7mm sheet was the lowest recommended for drag washers, so, I think will be safer trying to find a keyed washer thinner that fit your main gear, something on the 1.1 mm or something

can you tell me the ID hole size (or the size of the shaft sleeve) and OD diameter of the stock keyed metal washer?

I also played with making my own 5+1 for a sealine 400H drag kit with different metal washers I got from different reels from ebay and I also got some stock drag washers from different reels that I needed to modify a bit to make it work, I might have something that will help with your quest for the 5+1 kit for the 50H

[Decker]

Hi Alex, sorry for the loss of your mother!  Nice pictures and messages from the Ohana.  God rest her soul, and hope we all meet up there!

Thanks for offering to help with the drag project.   I'll PM you with more details. There is a relatively thin Daiwa keyed washer that is 1.4mm, and I believe I can use a modified Bryan eared washer  at .5mm.  The goal is to approximate the 8.8mm of the original stack, thus the .6mm carbontex.  I know you're good with numbers, compadre.

[JasonGotaProblem]

Use scissors you don't care about. If you borrow your wife's fabric scissors... Make sure she doesn't find out it was you who ruined them.

I have a pair of "bandage scissors" that can cut thru it like nothing. Frankly I think bandage scissors are on the must-own list.

[steelfish]

Hi Alex, sorry for the loss of your mother!  Nice pictures and messages from the Ohana.  God rest her soul, and hope we all meet up there!

Thanks for offering to help with the drag project.  I'll PM you with more details. There is a relatively thin Daiwa keyed washer that is 1.4mm, and I believe I can use a modified Bryan eared washer  at .5mm.  The goal is to approximate the 8.8mm of the original stack, thus the .6mm carbontex.  I know you're good with numbers, compadre.

thank again amigo for the words for my Mother, I appreciated each and everyone of the ohana messages.

check this thread, I even used some keyed metal washers of different thickness from different reels on which I had to reduce the ID diameter and sometimes increase the ID hole to fit the sleeve
https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,38234.msg451144.html#msg451144

I recall having some keyed metal washers left but I need to know if you can modify any of those to work with your setup

[day0ne]

I also played with making my own 5+1 for a sealine 400H drag kit with different metal washers I got from different reels from ebay and I also got some stock drag washers from different reels that I needed to modify a bit to make it work, I might have something that will help with your quest for the 5+1 kit for the 50H

https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,4783.msg37589.html#msg37589

Disregard the reference to the 114H drag washers. It seemed to confuse everybody as to the point I was trying to make

[Decker]

https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,4783.msg37589.html#msg37589

Disregard the reference to the 114H drag washers. It seemed to confuse everybody as to the point I was trying to make

Thanks for that.  I'm trying to build  5-stack like yours, but for the 50H main gear, to be installed in a 300H. 

David, with your experience, I think you could probably answer this question:  A keyed washer needs to fit the sleeve well in its center, but does an eared washer need to closely fit the sleeve, or do the ears only need to fit the slots?  I ask because I currently have Ultimate Penn 114 eared washers that could be made to fit inside the 50H main gear, but their center hole is substantially larger than the Daiwa sleeve. The Ultimate keyed washers from the 114 kit can't be used because they don't fit the sleeve well. Hoping I can use the eared washers from the kit because they are wicked thin.

[Decker]

...And can I use .6mm Carbontex in this 27lb. 5-stack or is it too thin?

I imagine that the flatter the washers are, the thinner the carbontex can be, because to some degree the ctex acts like a cushion between metals.  I'm no expert, but I my eye the Daiwa washers look pretty flat, though they're not ground and not as flat as Bryan's Ultimate ones.  Maybe I might need to do some grinding?

[oldmanjoe]

  From the stacks that I built , I use .5 .8 and 1 mm with no problem .   Just try to ovoid brass washers with high drag numbers , they will fill in the cross hatch with brass dust  .

  Pipe fittings , old cheap sockets  with sharp edges will help keep round disks .  Even if you have to follow with scissors .   You have to use end grain wood to punch on for cleaner cuts .  Center punch with sockets help make / mark the center of your washers .

[jgp12000]

I have never done this but we used Greenlee knockout punches to mod electronic ATE chassis(aluminum).They are pricey! I wonder if they would rip the carbontex or if an auto parts store loans them out?

[Decker]

From the stacks that I built , I use .5 .8 and 1 mm with no problem .   Just try to ovoid brass washers with high drag numbers , they will fill in the cross hatch with brass dust.

Thanks, Joe.  Not sure if it matters but with the thinner carbontex, are you making lighter freshwater drags or one for sea fishing?

[oldmanjoe]

From the stacks that I built , I use .5 .8 and 1 mm with no problem .   Just try to ovoid brass washers with high drag numbers , they will fill in the cross hatch with brass dust.

Thanks, Joe.  Not sure if it matters but with the thinner ca  rbontex, are you making lighter freshwater drags or one for sea fishing?

I am a saltwater fisherman !   Freshwater fish are pets !

[JasonGotaProblem]

I really love my hollow punch sets. It's almost as if they were designed for exactly this.

If you are using anything as a punch to cut the inner hole separately from the outer hole, do the inner hole first. I've learned from experience that if you cut the outer hole first then try to punch out the inner hole (which is the easier way to line it up) the drag disk tends to crack and fall apart. Doesn't seem to happen when you do the inner hole first.

[Decker]

No punches, punchless, and  little punchy!

Is there someone here who could do the punching, if I order the Carbontex from SmoothDrag?   Puleeeaze, PM me.

[JasonGotaProblem]

I potentially can, if nobody else can. My only real hesitation is how far behind I am on everything, im afraid I may leave you waiting.

What are the inner and outer diameters? There are some annoying size limitations to consider, at least with my particular set of punches.