Which Reel?

[Ron Jones]

I can definitely see that here. I ain't been here a year and I've lost a tackle shop! Don't you loose the lead on purpose when your slider fishing?

Ron

[Jeri]

Hi All,

Using 'clipped' rigs there are a couple of salient points that have a big effect on whether the rig works or not. The clips that we use are more open than the 'clip' that is shown on Wallace's rigs, if the vertical line of the leader is straight up, then the clip will be at about 80 degrees to the vertical, any more than that and there is a risk of the clip holding onto the baited hook. We build our clips out of medium soft stainless wire, and that allows us to bend and adjust the clip on the beach, just to make sure that it is going to work. The other factor is that the hook length needs to be shorter than the sinker length, such that the hook length is effectively 'carrying' the sinker during flight.

Generally, clipped rigs will add at least 5-10 metres on all your casting. We even use them for our shark rigs when we are casting huge baits - the clips are just bigger than the ones we use for general fishing.


Hope that helps, and cheers to Justin for posting the picture,



Jeri

[CapeFish]

Hi There,

the trick with these clipped baits is to make them streamlined and not having a long piece of bait sticking out past the hook. This results in the bait propellering and causes more distance lost. If your bait is not streamlined, throw it without clipping it. It helps also to have bait as close as possible to the sinker in the case of an unclipped bait.

Jeri, do you guys use circle hooks? We use them a fair bit now, no need for double j-hooks and the hook up rate improves pretty dramatically and releases are also a lot easier. Baiting up correctly with circle hooks is critical though.

For sliding out baits, we don't lose the sinker. That rig looks completely different though. This site www.sealine.co.za has got lots of pictures of different rigs, knots and methods.

Geez we have hijacked your thread on bearings pretty badly!

[Ron Jones]

Cape Fish,

Where are you from? My wife grew up in Durbahn and we have family down in Cape Town.

Ron

[wallacewt]

(1)there is no clip,its a tarpon hook with the barb cut off in the right place
(2)eye of hook is opened,connected to molded swivel in sinker and closed.
(3)there are no tag ends from the knots.helps stops twist.
(4)hooks depend on bait,i prefer 3 ganged tarpon 5/0,
bottom hook through the eye of the bait,tail through loop
of longliners knot.dont need to tie your bait on.
(5)solid rings in place of swivels.
i dont fish for sharks,but our methods are very similar.
cast into the rip and just feed it out for as long as you want.
im sure all beach fishermen know once your bait lands in 7ft+ of water
the under current is very strong.
photos are only a rough guide.works for me  

[Jeri]

Hi Capefish


No, we don't use many circle hooks up here, even for shark. Singles are my preferred hook arrangement, but with really large baits a set of doubles does give a certain amount of assistance mounting the bait.

The biggest single factor with all fishing is a sharp hook, and to this end we spend more money on good hooks than anything else, it saves trying to re-invent the wheel when getting hook ups. 90% of my hook ups on sharks with clients are on single 8/0 or 10/0.

Circles have a place in purist conservation angling where hook damage is a big factor, but as we don't let the shark swallow the bait, we very, very rarely get anything other than mouth hooked fish. We tend only to use circles when fishing for the aquarium, a preference of the overseeing scientist.

Cheers from sunny Henties Bay


Jeri

[CapeFish]

Hi Capefish


No, we don't use many circle hooks up here, even for shark. Singles are my preferred hook arrangement, but with really large baits a set of doubles does give a certain amount of assistance mounting the bait.

The biggest single factor with all fishing is a sharp hook, and to this end we spend more money on good hooks than anything else, it saves trying to re-invent the wheel when getting hook ups. 90% of my hook ups on sharks with clients are on single 8/0 or 10/0.

Circles have a place in purist conservation angling where hook damage is a big factor, but as we don't let the shark swallow the bait, we very, very rarely get anything other than mouth hooked fish. We tend only to use circles when fishing for the aquarium, a preference of the overseeing scientist.

Cheers from sunny Henties Bay


Jeri

Thanks, yes the double hooks do help for big baits. I also find very few gut hooked sharks on J hooks, if the circle sits though it doesn't drop out or bend open.

[CapeFish]

Cape Fish,

Where are you from? My wife grew up in Durbahn and we have family down in Cape Town.

Ron

South Africa, Cape Town, do you ever visit here?

[Ron Jones]

I haven't been in a few years. My wifes father had a house in Durbahnville, his family is still in the Cape area. Somewhere along the coast. My interest in Africa has always centered around hunting but I understand the fishing is fantastic also. I keep telling myself that I might buy property their in the next life. It is hard for my wife to come to terms with, she left in 97, I'm certain you can figure out why.

Ron

[Bunnlevel Sharker]

Try a cannon ball rig. The weight sits on top of the hook, you could get away with alot longer wire like that. Sputniks are use by many people for this method. You crank it up tight, and the weight digs in then you have a shark lollipop sitting there Also for reels, a Penn 4/0 while not the most glamorous when magged is used by many. I use a 545gs myself but thats probably to small for you, and distance isnt all that important on this side of the pond and i can get away with lobbing baits 20yds if im lazy instead of cuttin loose and goin the distance

[basto]

Is there a reason why you can`t use a large spin reel? There are a few that offer high drag output, are dunkable, and of course can cast well.
I found it interesting that you mentioned the Avet LX, as I did not think it would have had enough drag.
Another reel that came to mind is the original Penn Torque 200 and 300 with their disengaging pinion gear they cast very well.
good luck!
Basto

[Joker]

Is there a reason why you can`t use a large spin reel? There are a few that offer high drag output, are dunkable, and of course can cast well.
I found it interesting that you mentioned the Avet LX, as I did not think it would have had enough drag.
Another reel that came to mind is the original Penn Torque 200 and 300 with their disengaging pinion gear they cast very well.
good luck!
Basto

Hey Basto

There are a few guys in South Africa who use the bigger "coffee grinders" to fish for sharks. These are the 14000 Ultegras and recently a few Bullseyes were imported by the distributor here. The grinder "craze" has taken off< but those big boys are quite expensive.

The good old multiplier is still king down here when fishing for big fish.

The older Penn Torque 200 and 300 did not go down well with the anglers. Currently, the latest Torque 40 is being "tested" by anglers. Only time will tell if these will be able to "smoke the pipe"

[LTM]

Just throwing this out there (if not already mentioned): What about an Okuma product like the Cedros LD/Star?

Leo