Reel Repair by Alan Tani

g'day guys i've seen some spool sleeves being made up here and understand that it helps with side loads on the bearings, what i don't understand is when people say you can run more drag due to the clips being bypassed, wouldn't the c or e clip holiding the belleville washers still keep it in its intended range?  if going to the trouble of a sleeve why not bypass the last c or e clip that holds the belleville washer too? how you say? die and a nut. create a thread so that the nut it seating perfectly inline where the c or e clip was. would this not improve the reel capability dramatically not to mention allow you to compress the belleville washers as you tighten the nut in the original way ( read a couple posts people having trouble with the metaloid)

the shimano tld lever drags are the best examples of this.  the c-clips are placed in such a way that it mimics a bearing sleeve that is cut WAY too long.  to get it right, there are two options. one is to remove the c-clip and install a bearing sleeve that is the proper length.  the other option is to leave the c-clips in and simply put shim washers underneath the spool bearing (typically the right side) to take up the extra slop.  leave only a couple of thousanths worth of slop if you can.  that's what i do with the shimano lever drag reels and it works great.

do you happen to have a picture as a example Alan?

not yet, but i'm putting together whole new kits for the tld's.  i'll take photos then.

Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
not yet, but i'm putting together whole new kits for the tld's.  i'll take photos then.

thanks mate! appreciate it 

Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
not yet, but i'm putting together whole new kits for the tld's.  i'll take photos then.

I'm 1/2 way through a pile of TLDs (well 6 is a sort of pile)  and will say they are a simple and well built "low end" LD reel.  I also got a TLD Star Drag reel to do a pre use service on, it's a new reel to me and very easy to work on.

Very interested in these TLD kits, and the photo's that will accompany them.
Funnily enough there have been a fair few PM's between me and Wallace over making spool sleeves for TLD 5's recently.
Any idea on when there will be some pictures posted from you Alan?

Here's the procedure of the spool bearing sleeve.



If you see in the picture, you will see a little c-clip on the spool shaft almost centered on the shaft.  That clip keeps the bearing from sliding inwards towards the bearing cup of the spool.  So we shim under the bearing to be a exactly the same height or few thousand's of an inch higher than the c-clip.  This will give you the optimal free spool possible.

Good points, and reminder.  Something I wish I would have done as a matrer of course when servicing all the TLDs.  In my defense, the customers did indicate thst they were for trollimg apps, and freespool was not an issue.

I'm still not 100% clear which bearing you are shimming under. Is this the larger bearing on the sleeve which also holds the bellevilles? I'm also not sure what you mean by "same height or a few thousandths higher than the height of the c clip". Height measured from where, and relative to what? The only thing I can guess from this is, are you suggesting that the left spool bearing does not seat right into base of the cup on the left side of the spool? So you place a shim between the bellevilles and the bearing to ensure the bearing "seats" perfectly into the base of the cup on the left side of the spool?
I fully understand the reasoning behind the spool sleeves, but can not picture what you are trying to achieve here with the description you have given.
Could you perhaps take the time to do a thorough tutorial here, with some additional pix, to make it perfectly clear. There are an huge number of these reels out there, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who will get some value out of having this clearly explained with regard to the TLD's (myself included obviously).

Quote from: Rothmar2 on February 02, 2015, 10:45:06 PM
I'm still not 100% clear which bearing you are shimming under. Is this the larger bearing on the sleeve which also holds the bellevilles? I'm also not sure what you mean by "same height or a few thousandths higher than the height of the c clip". Height measured from where, and relative to what? The only thing I can guess from this is, are you suggesting that the left spool bearing does not seat right into base of the cup on the left side of the spool? So you place a shim between the bellevilles and the bearing to ensure the bearing "seats" perfectly into the base of the cup on the left side of the spool?
I fully understand the reasoning behind the spool sleeves, but can not picture what you are trying to achieve here with the description you have given.
Could you perhaps take the time to do a thorough tutorial here, with some additional pix, to make it perfectly clear. There are an huge number of these reels out there, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who will get some value out of having this clearly explained with regard to the TLD's (myself included obviously).

from the red marks.. assuming the left bearing is seated on the spool correctly. the second red mark has a small c/e clip that supports the other spool bearing from the inside so we make spool sleeve to support the bearings from the inside on each, in which when high drag is applied the bearing don't crush creating a binding feeling when winding

Thanks for the post, but I did a little tinkering and came up with this.....

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13316.0

Any comments appreciated

Quote from: Rothmar2 on May 03, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Thanks for the post, but I did a little tinkering and came up with this.....

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13316.0

Any comments appreciated

i think the fault you made there is subtracting the e clips width.. you didn't need to, infact you had to add 2 thousandth of a mm or there about to it. nicely done though. also i don't know how it increases spool time if you ask me.. i make spool sleeves to help with side load and thats all, nothing to do with free spool

that to me is wrong.. your sleeve including shim, when spool is on won't be making contact.. your sleeve has to be past the e clip groove by thousandths of a mm

Quote from: ReelStrong on May 03, 2015, 01:36:27 PM
i don't know how it increases spool time if you ask me.. i make spool sleeves to help with side load and thats all, nothing to do with free spool

Quote...so we make spool sleeve to support the bearings from the inside on each, in which when high drag is applied the bearing don't crush creating a binding feeling when winding...

I'm afraid you'll be disappointed then. Spool sleeves have nothing to do with drag, or the crushing / binding issue.

I've explained this many times now.

The spool sleeve does nothing to help or aid drag pressure or binding therefrom. Nothing at all. Nothing.

The sleeve DOES help alleviate axial pressure on the spool bearings brought upon by the drag disc seperating spring when the reel is in freespool. That's all. Only the pressure from that puny coil spring. In freespool.

Spacers were named Freespool sleeves for exactly that reason. They improve freespool. This is why they are called freespool sleeves. They were not named MaxDrag sleeves or NoBinding sleeves, also for this reason.

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