Daiwa Sealine 600H Rebuild and Upgrade

Started by day0ne, July 06, 2012, 05:41:07 AM

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day0ne

Rather than reinvent the wheel, go here (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8.0 ) for Alan's excellent tutorial on the Sealine 400H/450H. Except for size and several small differences, the Sealine 600H is virtually identical to the Sealine 400H/450H. In this tutorial we will address these differences. To begin, you need to download the schematic (http://www.daiwa.com/PartsDiagram/PartsDiagram/600H.pdf ) and follow Alan's tutorial to disassemble the reel and clean and lube it. Here's the reel.



The first difference is the bearings. I discovered that the bearings only had shields on one side, and the shield is removable without removing the bearings from the bearing cups. Since this reel was to be used for bottom fishing and no casting, I elected to pack the bearings with grease. I removed the shields and packed the cups with grease, which in turn fully packed both sides of the bearings. I considered replacing the shields but in the end, left them open.

Next on the list are the drags. There are several ways to set these up. Common to both ways is to use a Penn 6-114 HT100 washer that has been filed down a little to fit the cavity on the bottom of the main gear. I use a small file and it takes a minute or so. I imagine a larger file would be faster, but you don't have to remove much.

The first way to set the drags up is similar to what Alan did in his tutorial and is as follows: a Penn 6-114 washer, the main gear, two Penn 6-115 washers, a keyed washer, two Penn 6-115 washers, the eared washer, one Penn 6-115 washer and the heavy keyed washer. This should give about 20 to 25 lbs of drag.



The way I chose requires an extra keyed washer and an extra eared washer, The washers from the Penn 114H/115 will fit but the hole in the keyed washers is a little large and the ears on the eared washer are a little small, so try to find the 600H washers. I mention this because I had trouble finding the 600H eared washers.  You also need five of Dawn's #46 Carbontex washers. They need to be modified by making the hole larger. I held them between two eared washers with vice grips and used a Dremel Tool to enlarge the holes.  I first used a tapered stone then a small sanding drum. Total time, not counting bit changes, less than 15 seconds.




Using the Dremel tool, I next lengthened the grooves in the main gear, to ensure that the eared washer sits low enough to fully contact the drag washers. This may not have been necessary, but I felt better for doing it. Better safe than sorry and ending up with insufficient drag



The final drag stack ends up being a Penn 6-114, main gear, #46 washer, keyed washer, #46 washer, eared washer, #46 washer, keyed washer,  #46 washer, eared washer, #46 washer, thick keyed washer.



The last difference is the tension washers or belleville washers on top of the drag. The 400H/450H uses a spacer and two tension washers. The 600H uses the same setup as the 900H, consisting of a heavy tension washer, a flat drag washer, a lighter tension washer and then the spacer.



Add a larger handle grip and the reel is complete.  Since I plan to use this reel for A.J.'s and grouper, I will spool it with 500yds of 100lb Spectra and top it off with JB 130lb hollow. I'm hoping for 30 to 35 lbs of drag and I'm not worried about the gears after looking at how heavy duty they are.



Now for a few thoughts and comments about this reel. It is about the same size and has the same drag capability as the Penn 114H. but it comes with aluminum frame and side plates (cast) from the factory. Add this to the fact that it's gear ratio is 3.1:1 which is close to the coveted 3.25:1 Accurate gears and better than the Penn 2,8:1 gears, and the handle is about one inch longer, I feel that the 600H has a large edge on the 114H. Another point is that the parts for this reel are much cheaper. Examples are the side rings, $3.66 vs $10-$15 for Penn, handle $8 to $10.35 vs $27.50 for Penn. As a matter of fact, the handle on the 600H fits the 114H/115 and is longer, with two mounting positions,
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter

Bryan Young

Very nice. Thanks for sharing. These Daiwas are examples of making a reel built to last. The anodize coating on these reels are awesome. I've seen se bad looking reels, but after cleaning found that the coating was. Of affected on many of these reels. Also, the  bearings seem to last a really long time. A great tank once the drags are improved, and these are still available.
:D I talk with every part I send out and each reel I repair so that they perform at the top of their game. :D

George4741

Good tutorial.  Did you use a Daiwa or Penn washer for the 2nd eared washer?  Where can the Daiwa eared washers be found?
  George
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day0ne

Quote from: George4741 on July 10, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
Good tutorial.  Did you use a Daiwa or Penn washer for the 2nd eared washer?  Where can the Daiwa eared washers be found?
  George

For now, I am using the Penn 114H/115 eared washer. For some reason, Southwestern Parts in Dallas (my closest supplier) doesn't seem to have the eared washers for any of the bigger Sealines. I ran into the same problem on the 400H I'm currently upgrading the drag stack on. I plan to try some other sources for both washers in the near future. The Penn washer is probably fine, just slightly smaller ears, but I would prefer the Daiwa washer. I'll post back when I find the correct washer
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter

day0ne

Well, that was easy. I called Daiwa's main number in Cypress CA and ordered the washers. They were a little over a dollar each.
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter

redsetta

Great work dayOne, and excellent detail in your review.
Looks like a cracker bit of gear now!
Cheers, Justin
Fortitudine vincimus - By endurance we conquer

alantani

i think lee is working on a drag set for this reel.  i only have a metal and carbon fiber drag set for the 900h. 
send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

floating doc

I'm waiting for the upgraded set to be available.
Central Florida

day0ne

For a 1+5 drag stack, you don't have to wait. Use the Sealine washers and Dawn's #46 washers (.76mm). Fit's great. See the pictures above. Besides, I thought Lee was working on the Sealine 50H.
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter

floating doc

#9
OK, I'll get my order in. I just got a used SL30SH so I'll be ordering some carbontex washers for it too.

Since I need some centrifugal brake casting weights for the slosh, I was going to be calling Daiwa also, so I'll order my keyed and eared 600H washers.

Thanks.
Central Florida

floating doc

No luck on the phone call. I called the number on the Daiwa website, and they gave me a different number. I called it, and got someone's personal voice mail.

Does anyone have a working number or other suggestion for finding the drag washers?
Central Florida

day0ne

I called this # from the website and pressed 3. No problem ordering

(562) 375-6800
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter

floating doc

Central Florida

alantani

have i sent you a wrench yet?  if not, can you send me a pm with your address?  thanks!  alan
send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

day0ne

Just an update. I spooled this reel with 500yds of 100lb solid spectra and spliced in 100+yds (don't know how much over 100yds) of Jerry Brown 130lb hollow and did a loop to loop connection to a 25' leader. With the drag not cranked all the way down. I got an easy smooth 30lbs of drag. Should do 35lbs or more. The reason for the heavy line is A). I had it laying around, B). I'll be using it this weekend for grouper and amberjack around oil rigs. If you don't keep them out of the rig, they are gone. Wish me luck
David


"Lately it occurs to me: What a long, strange trip it's been." - R. Hunter