Need Advice On Drag Grease

Started by Walleye Guy, January 25, 2023, 04:27:14 PM

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Walleye Guy

When using only (1) Carbontex 3902 there is adequate clearance between the drag star and the spool tension knob when cranked down.  I was just wondering if the Design Intent was only to use one or two and also if it would be bad to double stack two against each other.  Sorry if these are dumb questions, this is the first reel where I've deviated from the stock drag washers so I'm trying to learn the nitty-gritty details.

Lunker Larry

#61
I've doubled up greased drag washers once or twice with no ill effects. I think I posted this once upon a time and Allan mentioned he had done it.
Forget the reason but it worked.
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jurelometer

Quote from: Lunker Larry on February 06, 2023, 07:15:29 PMI've doubled up greased drag washers once or twice with no ill effects. I think I posted this once upon a time and Allan mentioned he had done it.
Forget the reason but it worked.

Typing at the same time.  I'll do the long version :)


To make things a bit less ambiguous:

Keyed washer usually refers to a metal washer with flats on the hole, locking it to the shaft.

Eared washer usually refers to a metal or fiber washer with tabs  on the outside, locking it to the main gear.

When you have a reel with a fiber washer with a round hole and no ears, sandwiched between a pair of keyed and eared metal washers, the metal to fiber surface pair with the lowest coefficient of friction (i.e. the lower drag surface) will be the sliding surface. Only one surface pair will be sliding.

The sliding surface will not switch unless the coefficient of friction changes to the point where another surface pair will have a lower COF. This seems unlikely, and even if it were to happen, would probably not make the drag sticky or jumpy. Since the carbon fiber washer surfaces are not smooth, it is extremely unlikely that the sliding surface pair would be two carbon fiber washers.  In this situation, two adjacent thin carbon fiber washers will behave more or less the same as one thick carbon fiber washer.

An extra metal spacer washer at the top of the stack will also keep the star from bottoming out.  It seems most folks here just use whatever is handy.

-J

Walleye Guy

#63
J, your explanation makes perfect sense. 

Another thing, according to the vendor, this is Garcia's new version of 3902.  Is that true?  Can any of you verify that?  It seems odd to me that Garcia made 7079 obsolete and replaced it with 10271 but the 3902 was revised to Carbontex and now it's thinner than original so technically it's not "backwards compatible".
 Again, this is what the vendor told me.   Seems to me like Garcia would have also made 3902 obsolete and replaced it with a new part number. 

nelz

Hey Walleye Guy, the reel's a beauty!  :d  That model and color is one of my all time favorites. Pretty neat how you've put together the whole kit too, like the original, now you just need the box.

Walleye Guy

Quote from: nelz on February 06, 2023, 08:52:49 PMHey Walleye Guy, the reel's a beauty!  :d  That model and color is one of my all time favorites. Pretty neat how you've put together the whole kit too, like the original, now you just need the box.
Thanks nelz, I appreciate that.  I also love the blue-gray color.  The only thing I'm missing now is a booklet for it.

JasonGotaProblem

Do you need a box? I've got a 5500C3 box that ain't in perfect condition, but it's not doing me any good. I'm not a box collector and my reel can't ever go back to stock anyway. Yours if you want it.
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nelz

Walleye Guy, FYI, if you pry off that spring tab inside the main gear, you can fit a larger drag disk in there. (It's the one that makes the drag click when it's being pulled.) Without it, the top washer will also sit more flush helping to smooth things out a bit. You'll lose the clicking but have a better drag over-all.

Walleye Guy

#68
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on February 07, 2023, 05:27:28 PMDo you need a box? I've got a 5500C3 box that ain't in perfect condition, but it's not doing me any good. I'm not a box collector and my reel can't ever go back to stock anyway. Yours if you want it.
I would be very interested in that.  What do you want for it?  Update: if it's for a 5500C3 then thank-you but I'll pass because the C3 is a different model.  I appreciate your generosity, though.

Walleye Guy

Quote from: nelz on February 07, 2023, 05:58:05 PMWalleye Guy, FYI, if you pry off that spring tab inside the main gear, you can fit a larger drag disk in there. (It's the one that makes the drag click when it's being pulled.) Without it, the top washer will also sit more flush helping to smooth things out a bit. You'll lose the clicking but have a better drag over-all.
Nelz, that's good to know but I love the clicking sound when a fish runs.  I really wish my 1990 4600C3 would click too.

JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: Walleye Guy on February 07, 2023, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on February 07, 2023, 05:27:28 PMDo you need a box? I've got a 5500C3 box that ain't in perfect condition, but it's not doing me any good. I'm not a box collector and my reel can't ever go back to stock anyway. Yours if you want it.
I would be very interested in that.  What do you want for it?  Update: if it's for a 5500C3 then thank-you but I'll pass because the C3 is a different model.  I appreciate your generosity, though.
Would have been free, but yeah I guess it's pointless if it's not the same model. Oh well.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

nelz

Quote from: Walleye Guy on February 07, 2023, 06:25:10 PMNelz, that's good to know but I love the clicking sound when a fish runs.

Me too!  :fish

Walleye Guy

Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on February 07, 2023, 07:00:42 PM
Quote from: Walleye Guy on February 07, 2023, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on February 07, 2023, 05:27:28 PMDo you need a box? I've got a 5500C3 box that ain't in perfect condition, but it's not doing me any good. I'm not a box collector and my reel can't ever go back to stock anyway. Yours if you want it.
I would be very interested in that.  What do you want for it?  Update: if it's for a 5500C3 then thank-you but I'll pass because the C3 is a different model.  I appreciate your generosity, though.
Would have been free, but yeah I guess it's pointless if it's not the same model. Oh well.
Jason, I do greatly appreciate your offer though.  👍

tincanary

#73
Quote from: Walleye Guy on February 07, 2023, 06:25:10 PMI really wish my 1990 4600C3 would click too.

You can add a click drag into the more contemporary Ambassadeurs.  I've used these in a lot of reels as a screaming drag makes me dance like a school girl.  https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802572458963.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.e16638dapf1rK3&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa&_randl_shipto=US  They'll fit any Ambassadeur with the Ultracast spool, so C3, C4, C5, CS as well as the Morrum, Black Max, Pro Max, Royal Extreme, and Tournament Pro.  I even asked Dawn a few years ago if she had any interest in making and selling them but she didn't express any.  Bummer because I know her products are great and I get a ton of requests to put these in customer reels.  I don't know anybody that dislikes a drag clicker.

thorhammer

How am just finding this clicker deal out....


That 6500C is peach. Mine is one of my fav reels, though not in that shape. The spool fractured and Simon Simonura pressed a shaft in one of his for me; I think it was his last one.