Penn Reels - just as you find them

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1badf350

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Steelyfinn

Thanks for the comments everybody.

The gear teeth were worn so thin that they appear to have rolled over and almost folded.  Maybe a steel pinion may have prevented that but they probably lasted 20-30 years of my dads use with little to no servicing.  Believe it or not, the reel would still crank with the gears in that shape!

Jon

1badf350

Found this one locally today. Early second generation 9/0 without front rod brace lugs. Circa 1940 I believe.
-Chris

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Crow

There's nothing wrong with a few "F's" on your record....Food, Fun, Flowers, Fishing, Friends, and Fun....to name just a few !

Shellbelly

I have plates and rings....just need the rest of it! :D
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Shellbelly

I got my first LH reel today.  Very clean outside with a decent LH box.  No goodies.  It has an early-style side plate with LH in the logo.  I removed the mono line and found the spool in very good condition.  I believe the reel has been used at least once. Based on the side plate and the "no-zip code" box indicating monofilament, my guess is early to mid-60s.

It spins well, but the eccentric is not rotating.  I expect (hope) original grease to be the problem.
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"You shot it boy, you're gonna clean it and eat it".  (My Dad)

foakes

Beautiful and rare reel!

Best, Fred
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Shellbelly

Thank you, Fred. I had been watching it for almost 2 months.  The title of the listing made it obscure and that's why it sat so long.....or I was supposed to get it.

It's always interesting to look inside.  This reel is appealing on the outside, but the inside was not so much the same.  The old stuff is Lubriplate, Rig, lithium....who knows.  It was serviced though and put away in working order decades ago. 

The eccentric was stuck because the pinion was also stuck.  It appeared that the sleeve pin was missing but the sleeve wouldn't come off. I discovered a second hole and the pin after some head-scratching and more sludge removal. Two pins or just two holes, pick one?  I don't know.

Here's the exploded view, pretty much just as I found it.
"Little boy,  you can get glad in the same pants you just got mad in."  (My Momma)
"You shot it boy, you're gonna clean it and eat it".  (My Dad)

oldmanjoe

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Quote from: Shellbelly on March 15, 2023, 08:46:12 PMThank you, Fred. I had been watching it for almost 2 months.  The title of the listing made it obscure and that's why it sat so long.....or I was supposed to get it.

It's always interesting to look inside.  This reel is appealing on the outside, but the inside was not so much the same.  The old stuff is Lubriplate, Rig, lithium....who knows.  It was serviced though and put away in working order decades ago. 

The eccentric was stuck because the pinion was also stuck.  It appeared that the sleeve pin was missing but the sleeve wouldn't come off. I discovered a second hole and the pin after some head-scratching and more sludge removal. Two pins or just two holes, pick one?  I don't know.

Here's the exploded view, pretty much just as I found it.
OK  what sleeve pin are you talking about ?
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Shellbelly

Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 15, 2023, 09:37:36 PMOK  what sleeve pin are you talking about ?

Well, I can't seem to find a description or part # in my catalogs. :-\  It's the brass pin that you have to remove before you can take the sleeve off of the bridge post.  Look just below the pinion yoke in the photo below. 

All the parts are ready for reassembly. 

"Little boy,  you can get glad in the same pants you just got mad in."  (My Momma)
"You shot it boy, you're gonna clean it and eat it".  (My Dad)

Gfish

#3070
"You can't judge a book by its cover". Ha!🤪. No, I'll bet it cleans-up real nice. Was the pinion corroded onto the shaft?
I have those little sleeve pins, and could send you a few in an envelope. N/C, PM me if want 'em, no sense ordering just those with shipping costs. Never seen that double pin-hole in a Penn before. You actually prolly only need one pin. Maybe a 2nd hole is for in-case one wears out...?
What'er the drags made outta?
My 209 was in such good condition, almost NIB, I fished it a couple of times, cleaned it up again, and now it's shelfie with all the goodies.
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Shellbelly

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Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 15, 2023, 09:37:36 PMOK  what sleeve pin are you talking about ?
More on this, Joe.  I went back through catalogs. Found diagrams on pages 24, 25 in the large-size #13 catalog.  It is called a Lock Pin. :D Penn did NOT have this in their parts lists or indicate a # in any of the other catalogs I have. >:(  In addition, Mystic does show this pin in many of their schematics. :D  Mystic does not give it a name or #. >:(  I suppose Penn assumed that these were easy enough to be made by anyone who needed one....which would be TRUE back in that time.  Brazing was a very common repair practice then and brass rods of all sizes were available in almost every town....so were appropriately sized trim nails.  While we're at it, what I've been calling a sleeve is actually a Ratchet Bushing.  I didn't know that either....SO, "ratchet bushing lock pin" is our lesson for this exercise, My Man!  More learnin' is cool.  If you hadn't asked, I would not have ever known. 8). See photo below.  Note only one hole is shown.

Quote from: Gfish on March 16, 2023, 05:29:34 AMWas the pinion corroded onto the shaft?

It wasn't corroded, fortunately.  Just cemented by that white grease.  A couple of drops of solvent and it slid off.  The drags are leather.  I looked at the other #155 bridges I have and all have only one hole in the sleeve....ratchet bushing.  Another Penn thing, I guess.  Maybe just the LH part was made that way.  I don't have another LH to compare it with.  I'll send you a PM and THank you!

Well, the reel is back in working order now.  It was more entertaining than routine for me.  Not being left-handed was a fun disadvantage.  You who are professionals must be ambidextrous because I flopped this thing around a bunch in reassembly.  I hope you charge extra for LH work. 

I replaced the pawls and dog spring.  The spring had been smashed.  I wanted to replace the eccentric spring, but it's LH.  Note that the plates don't have the little "??indexing tab??" that would fit into a corresponding hole in each ring. Netz and I have had discussions about this thing.

Anyhow, I'm glad to have this addition and it was fun to work on.  Joe made me learn more stuff again.
 
"Little boy,  you can get glad in the same pants you just got mad in."  (My Momma)
"You shot it boy, you're gonna clean it and eat it".  (My Dad)

Brewcrafter

I have run across a few sleeves with two pin holes, but only 1 ever lines up.  More experience folks than I will most likely explain why; I always just assumed that it was a situation where a particular part# sleeve would fit multiple models of reels with different bridge assemblies and possible different slot positions on the bridge post, but that is only a guess. - john

Swami805

I've seen a few gear sleeves with 2 holes as well. I figured two possibilities, like John said for different models or they put the hole in the wrong spot and added a second so as not to waste a good gear sleeve
Do what you can with that you have where you are

broadway

That part of the gear (where the ears go) is super duper thin on most of the 30's reels.  Corrosion on thin brass like that won't take long to create that crack.  Really nice job on the cleaning.  Enjoy the hobby!
Best,
Dom