Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Joel if you asking about the gear, yes.

Dawn

Dawn
I just opened the package with the gear and noticed that the gear is not cut very deep. When I put the washers in dry I have two left over above the surface.

Dwight

Found the problem. The metal washers are too thick. I just opened Bryan's package and the washers fit as they should and his metal washers are a lot thinner than the ones you sent me.

Joel, yes.  Newell Nut is working on a 5 drag stack.   3 drag stack no problems.

Bryan

Wish I had time to have put your set in a reel last night. I smoked some drags today with big AJs and cobias and snapper. It was a great day to test equipment. I caught all of my fish with a G338 that I converted to a 332 and a 322 with 30 lb Momoi Diamond. The rods were Calstar 800M and 700L and they worked great.

Dwight

Quote from: Joel.B on July 26, 2013, 03:54:30 PM
Okee-dokee

I guess I better try a set

Joel, I though you have a set of my drags kit?

I got a chance to get my first test done today. I used the new gears in a Newell 332 and Bryan's 5 stack drags. I did a straight pull with my scale hooked to my vise and got 24 lb as Sal did. There was some left on the star so I decided to push it. Tightened the star some more and then ran out of the garage to end of the driveway. Still only 24 lb but still very smooth.
The gears are a problem. They seem to work okay but have a bad roaring noise. I guess the pinion and gear just don't mesh well. There is not much resistance to turning the handle but that roar can't be good. Afraid to fish with it like that so I will disassemble and put the drags in the Newell gears and test again for drag rating.

Dwight

Quote from: Newell Nut on July 27, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
I got a chance to get my first test done today. I used the new gears in a Newell 332 and Bryan's 5 stack drags. I did a straight pull with my scale hooked to my vise and got 24 lb as Sal did. There was some left on the star so I decided to push it. Tightened the star some more and then ran out of the garage to end of the driveway. Still only 24 lb but still very smooth.
The gears are a problem. They seem to work okay but have a bad roaring noise. I guess the pinion and gear just don't mesh well. There is not much resistance to turning the handle but that roar can't be good. Afraid to fish with it like that so I will disassemble and put the drags in the Newell gears and test again for drag rating.

Dwight

Please note that if the meshing is not too good between the main and pinion gears, it will have a roaring noise. Eventually, both gears will mesh better, and the noise will go away after period of time.

I don't think it will have any problem to fish with those gears.

Thanks for the encouragement. I just put the gear and pinion into my brass tumbler and will leave them in there for a couple hours of polishing and try again in the morning.

Quote from: Newell Nut on July 28, 2013, 12:12:57 AM
Thanks for the encouragement. I just put the gear and pinion into my brass tumbler and will leave them in there for a couple hours of polishing and try again in the morning.

One more thing, you might want to check out if those teeth on the main and pinion when they are under stress. If those teeth are thin, they might shred. It happened to Accurate, and it was the reason Accurate stop making them.

Just double checking them.....

mine were nice and quiet.

I have successfully completed my test. Removed the parts from the tumbler and then took a small bore brush and some flitz polish and polished the pinion ID. Put everything back together and no noise. I decided to simulate a hard day of fishing. Tightened the drag to 21 lb and ran to the end of the driveway 20 times and decided to stop after the handle nut got really hot. Waited 5 minutes and tightened the star hard and decided to see what the parts could take. One more dash out of the garage and the drag chattered a bit and then the line snapped. I walked back to the scale and was amazed to see 33 lb on the scale. Set the rod down to let everything cool down since the handle even got hot.

After cooling I disassembled everything and found everything in very good condition. The under gear CF was just as it was when I first put it in. Using a 10x magnifier I could see the machining marks on the edge of the gear teeth starting to wear where contacting the pinion. These are really fine machining marks so I see no worry and will check them in a year or so. Cleaned the blackened Cals off the parts and reassembled and now ready to fish with confidence.

While the reel was cooling I did some line break test. Momoi 30 diamond is .59mm and momoi hi catch 40 is .60mm. The Momoi 30 diamond broke repeatedly at 40 lb. The 40 hi catch broke repeatedly at 32 lb.

Good job by everyone involved with the new gears and the 5 stack drags.

Dwight

Great write up and test Dwight. I agree with your findings on the mono. I only use the Momoi diamond. Excellent line IMO. Thanks for the time and report.
Bob

Bob

This is the same length of line that got fished really hard Friday and then all the dry runs through the guides really impressed me today. The line itself did not break. I had the 40 Yo Zuri Flurocarbon tied on with back to back uni knots from yesterday and had it tied to the scale. The knot finally gave up after all of that stress. You can guess what my go to set up will continue to be.
On my 500 series reels I use the 40 diamond and 60 for a leader unless the snappers are too picky and then I go 40-40.

Thanks Dwight for the test.  33#?  Wow, that's a lot of drag.  I can see why there would be a little chatter.  There are not too many reels and drag systems designed and capable to be smooth at such high resistance.  I would say that those are more lever drag reels as they have brake systems that are most similar to a car.