alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial 2nd Generation 113HX 4:1 SS Gear Set
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« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2016, 10:16:35 AM »


Don't base my numbers at where it should be fished at, those are testing numbers only.
I could tell you this, we will have the (500) as a 20lb reel, the ( 113h) as a 30lb reel  and the( 114H ) as a 35lb reel.
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Sal,

what would be a better reel for 80# braid for groupers?
a tanked up 113h with this new gears and all SS parts of course or a stock 114h reel?


Alex, it has to do with how tough you are. If you're like a couple of wimpy guys on here that can only use a two speed, forget about those ( just kidding )  Grin.
I have fished for grouper in Florida, but non of the Goliath Grouper that everyone talks about, those are scary.
Talking to some friends, they would be more comfortable with a larger reel as the 114h, some actually like the black slower 114.
if I would ever give it a shot, I would definitely try the Tank loaded with everything we have available.
I would probably bring two though, one with 4:1 ProChallenger's gears and one with stock steel 3.25:1 gear and Adam's inserts ...just in case.
Both might fail on those monsters, but i wouldn't mind.
Sal

I with you, I would like to try a 113h with SS guts, mine is still on process to be a Tank, but already have SS 4:1 gears, Lee inserts, tib wide frame, Toms plates, pending SS sleeve, when I got the money I will get this 2nd gen Alan Gear

this next fish was caught 2 days ago by my friend that runs a panga charter, its a Baya (gulf grouper), the reel used was a stock 114h, he dont know if it was the same fish or a different but it took 3 times to get it on the boat, the fish broke the line 3 times before came to the boat






not bad for a stock 114h, my other idea is to get a 114h and make it narrow and get a SS sleeve and gear insert and make it the grouper reel, but still continue to load the 113h with all the SS goods to have both ready for heavy action.

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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2016, 12:41:28 PM »

WOW!!! What a fish! Those do scare me a little, they could swallow you hole in one gulp Roll Eyes
http://brobible.com/guyism/article/goliath-grouper-swallows-shark/
Strap yourself to the boat if you decide to go buddy Smiley
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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2016, 08:39:55 PM »

Oh Yeah!
A Stock 114H getting it done.
Check it out Jeff.
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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2016, 10:10:30 PM »

I have a question about the 113HX gear set.  Does this gear set work in Penn 113H that DO NOT have easy access to the drag washers? 

My intended drag setting will about 18 pounds for a consistently silky smooth drag. 
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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2016, 03:14:52 AM »

I have a question about the 113HX gear set.  Does this gear set work in Penn 113H that DO NOT have easy access to the drag washers? 

My intended drag setting will about 18 pounds for a consistently silky smooth drag. 
Hello Eddie, yes this set will work in the Penn 113H without the easy access drag system.

If you look at the first pic, you will notice (5) carbon fiber washers, (5) keyed metal washers and (1) thick washer.
The best combination from my personal tests is by removing the last keyed metal washers from the (5) and just place the (1) thick metal keyed washer on top.
You will follow with the 8-349 and the 9-113h. Those do not come with the kit, but should be on your reel.

As for consistant silky smooth drag, I get that over 30 pounds. That is by me pulling on the reel while the line is tied to a post.

Both plates, easy access and standard work nicely and give out the same numbers,  somehow the standard plate feels a little better, but it might just be me.

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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2016, 12:53:28 PM »

Yeah. I hadda 113H w/ external drag access plate, anna big crack which chipped off. Bought the new one from Scotts( not the easy access style) installed a d.d., s.s. bridgeplate, HX gear set anna s.s. Gear sleeve, no problems. Really liked that "top hat" washer though. Now I gotta maroon L side plate w/ a red R side one. Tip, needa s.s. Yoke, I tried ta keep my old brass one an it got chewed on somethin fierce by the s.s. pinion.
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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2016, 02:17:02 PM »

My favorite combo is the top hat SS gear sleeve. No sise to side play of the gear sleeve is important to my evaluation of smoothness, and the top hats seem to fit tighter in the plates than the sleeve alone. Almost as if the top hat acts as a bushing. A bushing there would be a great idea actually.
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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2016, 04:45:46 PM »

My favorite combo is the top hat SS gear sleeve. No sise to side play of the gear sleeve is important to my evaluation of smoothness, and the top hats seem to fit tighter in the plates than the sleeve alone. Almost as if the top hat acts as a bushing. A bushing there would be a great idea actually.
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Ron, we talked about this 4 years ago, John Tutle came up with a great idea
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3083.msg44188#msg44188
I've also tried these with good results, the correct size is not available, so a little modification is needed
https://www.mcmaster.com/#1688K15

I tried to get Alan to make us some custom sleeves, but he said it wasn't worth it, he is not making anything on the custom spacers for the jigmaster.
I'll ask again, maybe if he increases the cost to a dollar or two he could get them done. Undecided
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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2016, 07:15:08 PM »

I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
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« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2016, 12:43:30 AM »

Thank you Sal.  My concern was the height of the gear.  Maybe in the future if I decide to get a Tiburon frame, I'll be able to utilize the full potential of the drag.  However, for now, I'll be using the drag set at 18 lbs. 

Once again, I say thank you.   Smiley
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« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2016, 04:22:58 AM »

Thank you Sal.  My concern was the height of the gear.  Maybe in the future if I decide to get a Tiburon frame, I'll be able to utilize the full potential of the drag.  However, for now, I'll be using the drag set at 18 lbs. 

Once again, I say thank you.   Smiley
That was a good concern Eddie.
As you already know, you could make adjustments with this kit as you wish:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6517.msg56201#msg56201

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I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
Ron

Ron, I just remembered that I had a pic of that bearing that I've mentioned  earlier, scroll down to the tourth and fifth pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9746.msg90472#msg90472

I had a lot going on at one time around here...easy to forget Smiley .

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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2016, 08:43:26 AM »


I was thinking that exactly, Sal. I don't have any plates without a top hat right now, but definately something I want to try.
Ron

Ron, I just remembered that I had a pic of that bearing that I've mentioned  earlier, scroll down to the tourth and fifth pic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9746.msg90472#msg90472

I had a lot going on at one time around here...easy to forget Smiley .

Sal
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Good stuff here!  It would be great to have a kit available that incoorporats these features.  Has anyone seriously considered this?

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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2016, 10:06:03 AM »

Not sure about the AR on top John but I would like a tighter sleeve as mentioned above.
I spoke to Alan last evening and he said he will give it a shot for us.
By the way, the custom sleeve for the stock plates would not work on the Accurate plates, or Tom's plates ( same plates )

Stock sleeve is close, but would be nice to get closer

We'll see if Alan could make both sizes for us.

Sal
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« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2016, 05:39:36 PM »

A tighter sleeve is almost a must have when you really put the power to these reels. Ive seen mine loosen up after a couple of months. Forcefully moving the handle side to side there will be excessive movement.

Ive built 4/0's for 3 people that use them for Grouper and they catch a bunch. Mostly in the 20 to 25 lb. range.

They use 200lb braided line and 300 to 400 lb leader. They told me the lighter braid just didn't havbe enough abrasion resistance.

They are still using Bryans 7 stack with Alan C's SS gears and gear sleeve. Its been almost 3 years now without a problem with any component in the reels.
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« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2016, 06:25:09 PM »


Ive built 4/0's for 3 people that use them for Grouper and they catch a bunch. Mostly in the 20 to 25 lb. range.

They use 200lb braided line and 300 to 400 lb leader. They told me the lighter braid just didn't havbe enough abrasion resistance.

cool, thanks for the input


do you know how many 200lb braid could fit on a 4/0?   200yds?
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