Assistance with 114H Rebuild

[Fen]

Hello All, I am looking to get some advice on rebuilding a couple of Penn 114H reels.  They were left behind for me by a lobsterman when we purchased his home in mid-coast Maine.  The reels are in pretty rough shape so I would like to tear them down and refurbish them.  I was a bicycle mechanic in my father's bicycle shop as a young man so gears, springs and pawls are not entirely foreign to me.

I have many questions regarding the process, for example: what are the best lubricants and where to obtain them?; where is the best place to obtain spare parts?; I understand that there are upgraded parts such as drag disks to improve the reels performance. Where can these be found?...

I guess I am looking for a good place to start the process-any suggestions?

Thanks!

[Swami805]

mysticparts.com should have everything you need. Parts, lubricants, upgrade parts too

[steelfish]

Hello from Baja, Mexico, you can start by checking this thread

https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,208.0.html

you can also, use "search" for "114h" or "6/0" and will tons of information of what can be done to those reels, just dont go overboard, you can easily spend few hundreds on mods for that reel.
 

[Keta]

Lubricant link.

https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,50.0.html

[akfish]

Those are good reels to start on -- they are relatively easy to work on and you'll have no problem getting any parts you need. One tricky part is installing the dog and leaf spring dog spring. They key is figuring out how to hold the part as you install it. Your reels almost certainly need new drag washers; you can get these plus and lubricants you need at Smoothdrag.com. If your reels are noisy once they've been cleaned and lubed, you may need new spool end bearings. These aren't cheap. If you do order them, make sure you get the right ones. Mystic Parts is the best source for most Penn parts.

[jgp12000]

My experience with leaf springs is limited to the Penn 9.I have
found a little grease helps it stay in place during assembly.

[Fen]

I have not discovered how to respond to each of you individually yet but want to thank you all for your input; it is all very helpful.

I figure the best thing to do here is to just get started now that I have some good leads for parts and information.  Hopefully I will be finished by the time fishing season rolls around😊

Thanks again!
Fen

[Mjg378]

For the basics you won't go wrong by calling Dawn at Smoothdrag.com or calling the pros at mysticparts.com  They always helped me out and answered my questions.   
Follow Alan's tutorial and post pictures of any issues if you run into trouble.  There are some amazing technical guys here that will help solve any problems.  I started Down this rabbit hole and have never looked back!

[Swami805]

Take pictures as you take the reel apart, especially the mechanism on the handle side. It will save a bunch of time as it goes back together

[Gfish]

Chances are the spool ball bearings will have to be replaced; does it grid a bit or make excessive noise when the spool is spinning?

[thorhammer]

When you get it apart, let us know. Pull the bearings out of both sides and soak in lighter fluid, acetone or other solvent (I use a pimento jar as it doesn't take much volume). Shake it now and then to break up sludge. Let sit a couple days then pull out and let dry, then lubricate with your preferred oil (NOT WD-40). I like Corrosion X on Senators as you don't need the speed of TS321, but Ardent, Penn, and others work too. Even Marvel or 3-in-1 if it's what you have, is better than nothing. Marine bearing grease on internal metal parts and screw holes. Order an ounce of Cal's drag grease when you get your carbon drag stacks and follow tutorial. They are beasts, and if you service and replace drags it's unlikely you'll wear that reel out. Same gear and drag as 9/0.

[Keta]

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[Keta]

The bearings you need are  26-116 and either 40-114H or the  40-114HL.   Unfortunately it looked like they are no longer available.
You can pop the bearings out of the cup, measure the bearing and order one from a bearing retailer like Boca Bearings.

[Fen]

Well, thanks for all the good information!

I just finished disassembling one of the two reels.  I thought I would do one at a time and keep the other intact to help in re-assembly.  Below is a photo of the reel after a lot of cleaning.  I am sure you all know the drill.  It reminded me of the days when I would rebuild 3-speed hubs in my father's bicycle shop😊.



The circled parts are the ones that I believe need to be replaced:



Here is a list of the parts that I feel need to be replaced:

Frame post- badly pitted
Rod Clamp, graphite, cracked
Clamp nuts- badly corroded
O-ring for clicker side bearing assembly-just think it is a good idea to replace it.
Bearing, handle side- not smooth like clicker side bearing
Pinion- broken teeth
Eccentric screw- internal spring to hold bearing missing
Eccentric- chewed-up and does not fit eccentric lever well

Here are a couple of photos of the damaged pinion:






I have not checked the price and availability of parts yet.  I tried to not get carried away with replacing parts since this is an old reel and don't want to fall into the trap of spending more than the reel is worth; I just want it to work smoothly and reliably. 

My next step is to check out the availability of parts, and lubricants.  Will also check into new drag components although these components do not look worn. I would also like to locate a couple of specialty wrenches for the Eccentric and Handle screws.  I imagine these came with the reel but they are now long gone!

I'll keep you all posted!

Advice is welcome!

Fen

[foakes]

I would recommend replacing BOTH bearings plus a new under gear washer.

Your drags are HT-100's in very good condition —- no need to replace.  Just grease the drags with Cal's tan drag grease.

Cal's can be also used on the gears, so you don't have to buy (2) greases, unless you want to.

Seems like the eccentric is OK.  Is there a reason you are replacing it?

Good disassembly!

Assuming you have a Penn wrench?

Best, Fred