113h/114h senator - short version

[ReelFishingProblems]

I'm sure much wiser people will chime in, but I had a 4/0 that had irregular eccentric lever play. When I took it apart the spring was broken

[Ron Jones]

I'm thinking bound spring also, should be an easy fix once it is all apart. Shimming bearings is no big deal.
Ron

[Eddie K]

The play is about an eighth of an inch on both with the bearings bottomed out.  I'm not quite sure if shims are the complete answer.  I'll know more later tonight after I tear them down.  Both reels have excessive play, and both reels have spools that are not original to the reel.  Both reels are definitely from the 70's and originally came with chromed over brass spools.  As these reels sit right now, they both have aluminum Penn spools.

[Eddie K]

Reel Fishing Problems and Noyb 72 thank you for your input.  I never thought of a bound spring.  I spotted the problem with the eccentric as soon as I removed the bridge.  I saw a stainless steel yoke.  I removed it, ran the rough side over some Emery cloth and polished on some crocus cloth put it back together.  Tested, and it now works like it should.  I think instead of shimming the bearings, I will change the tail plates on both reels.  I like the newer bearing cups better because they are bigger and set in deeper, thus negating the need to shim.  Yeah, it is a little more expensive that way.  

I would like to say that I really like this site because it has fantastic people with a wealth of knowledge, that are willing to share that knowledge.  The people on this site are the salt of the earth.

[spize]

I received a 113H (newish style, but still steel spool, with an accurate frame) from a friend. I wasn't going to mess with it this year but I have a charter coming up with a cousin that needs a heavier outfit so I figured I'd go through it.
I has green fiber drags that look to be in just about new condition but I ordered a set of carbontex anyway.
So my question is, there are 3 belleville washers.......I remember two that were under the handle but don't know where that third one was and the schematic (for me at least) isn't helping much.
Also in search of aluminum spool.

[Gfish]

Spize, your drag stack's off: there should be a keyed washer between the 2 eared  washers. Just trade places between a keyed ana eared. Not sure 'bout the belleville washers, but with 3 I'd suspect that 1 of 'em goes between the star & handle. Someone with more experience will probably answer soon(I see what ya mean about the schematic).
Gfish

[JRD]

Yep drag configuration is off as stated.  My be your main gear was not notched deep enough and prior owner just re stacked em.  I just bought a Newelled out 501 from Randy at vintage tackle and it had those same washers.  No brand but look to be cut from a sheet of industrial gasket making material.  Tossed mine and went with a regular stainless and carbon fiber set up.

[Bryan Young]

I believe those green washers are smoothies from SmoothDrag before Carbontex drag washers. Replace them. They were better than the rubber or abestos drag material but. It as good as greased carbon fiber drag washers.

[Bryan Young]

Also in search of aluminum spool.

I have this spool in good shape. $20 Shipped in the USA. Send me a private message with your address and I'll mail it to you. You may pay me upon inspection and receipt.

[spize]

I believe those green washers are smoothies from SmoothDrag before Carbontex drag washers. Replace them. They were better than the rubber or abestos drag material but. It as good as greased carbon fiber drag washers.

That's what I thought they were..........I remember buying some for one of my SL20's years ago when the smoothies were the thing.

Am I good with the washer stack for now or do I need to order parts?

[Bryan Young]

Personally, I would switch them out to HT-100s or Carbontex.

[spize]

Personally, I would switch them out to HT-100s or Carbontex.

I already ordered new drag washers. I was asking about the metal washers. I see now what I need to do though.
As for the Belleville washers, there must have been one on top of the last metal washer in the drag stack and the other two were on the other side of the spacer right under the star.
Seems like it would go the other way around.

[Bryan Young]

It looks like you have pulled the drawing from an accessible drag 113H diagram.  That washer above the spacer and below the star is a washer /spacer with a felt pad that was normally oiled to help water from intruding into the reel.  It's not a spring or flat washer.

[spize]

Nope. New half frame schematic. As this reel was basically a gift (payment for a favor sort of) and has a Tiburon frame on it, I can only assume what it is with my limited knowledge. What I do know is that it does not have the big hole or the cover washer for the accessible drags. It seems to have all the innards of my 4/0 that I already had. I am going to pull that one apart tonight and have a look at it. I don't remember how it all goes but I know that one is right at least.
Where do you get that little custom dog spring from?

[Bryan Young]

Hmm, the only thin you get is more height in the stacks o your star doesn't bottom out.